Message from @Benjamin Henry

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2019-10-10 05:23:00 UTC  

You could probably make the same observations about people who can clap their hands faster

2019-10-10 05:23:08 UTC  

what observations

2019-10-10 05:23:25 UTC  

About economic success

2019-10-10 05:23:37 UTC  

we don't have the data on the relative hand clapping speed of black and white people

2019-10-10 05:23:38 UTC  

You could make the claim about people with green eyes

2019-10-10 05:23:41 UTC  

Or red hair

2019-10-10 05:23:42 UTC  

so this is irrelevant

2019-10-10 05:23:51 UTC  

Or one leg that's longer than the other

2019-10-10 05:24:15 UTC  

Yeah, your data is junk, is what I'm saying - it's statistical noise

2019-10-10 05:24:24 UTC  

how is it statistical noise

2019-10-10 05:24:33 UTC  

Or, at least, you can't necessarily show a causal connection

2019-10-10 05:24:41 UTC  

You can show a CORRELATION

2019-10-10 05:24:44 UTC  

i can't necessarily show a causal connection between what

2019-10-10 05:25:08 UTC  

Do I have to quote you back to yourself?

2019-10-10 05:25:27 UTC  

you can just specify what you're talking about

2019-10-10 05:25:56 UTC  

You're saying: people with lower IQs are less economically successful

2019-10-10 05:26:11 UTC  

You're saying: black people have lower IQs (in general)

2019-10-10 05:26:34 UTC  

You're saying: therefore being black leads to poverty

2019-10-10 05:26:45 UTC  

more or less

2019-10-10 05:26:46 UTC  

Those arguments don't follow

2019-10-10 05:27:07 UTC  

They're not connected in the way you think they are

2019-10-10 05:27:50 UTC  

I'm trying to show you how they can be correlated, and not part of a causal chain

2019-10-10 05:28:05 UTC  

yeah they can be

2019-10-10 05:28:11 UTC  

But they aren't

2019-10-10 05:28:18 UTC  

they are correlated

2019-10-10 05:28:26 UTC  

Correlated, yes

2019-10-10 05:28:37 UTC  

Not necessarily caused

2019-10-10 05:28:53 UTC  

not necessarily caused

2019-10-10 05:29:02 UTC  

but i believe that they are

2019-10-10 05:29:17 UTC  

That's your perspective. I don't think they are

2019-10-10 05:29:47 UTC  

Maybe show something more than just opinion then?

2019-10-10 05:30:29 UTC  

i think the causal link between iq and economic success is clear

2019-10-10 05:30:48 UTC  

It's absolutely not clear

2019-10-10 05:31:03 UTC  

iq measures abstract reasoning, a tool that is useful in many high paying professions

2019-10-10 05:31:16 UTC  

In order to prove causation, you have to show the direct link between being good at taking IQ tests to making more money

2019-10-10 05:31:25 UTC  

show the direct link how

2019-10-10 05:31:53 UTC  

You have to show how being good at taking IQ tests somehow directly translates into making money

2019-10-10 05:31:57 UTC  

how

2019-10-10 05:32:22 UTC  

Are these people receiving money based on their IQ test performance?

2019-10-10 05:32:52 UTC  

you are just saying the same thing over and over again without elaborating on how one would show this

2019-10-10 05:33:41 UTC  

Yeah, because you can't. Economic success is so far downstream of taking an IQ test that you can't show that link