being black leads to poverty

But that doesn't really tell the whole story - because there's not a universal definition for poverty

so by separating the variables in this manner we're understating the impact blackness has

You're delusional

Being black does not cause poverty

of course it does

No, dumbass, it doesn't

in general people with lower iq's are less economically successful

The IQ thing is a red herring

black people in america have on average an iq one standard deviation below that of white people

Just want to point out that average stats on large groups of people doesn’t dictate how well different people and culture mix, similar stats can be brought up about left handed people..., provided values are close, non of this stuff really matters to much to allow a nation to stay unified

IQ tests are not the only objective measurement of intelligence

ok

And it's not that clear that people with high IQ scores are even legitimately more intelligent

They may just be better at taking IQ tests

yeah they're better at taking a test that measures your ability to apply abstract reasoning to problems

In the particular method of IQ tests, yes

You could probably make the same observations about people who can clap their hands faster

what observations

About economic success

we don't have the data on the relative hand clapping speed of black and white people

You could make the claim about people with green eyes

Or red hair

so this is irrelevant

Or one leg that's longer than the other

Yeah, your data is junk, is what I'm saying - it's statistical noise

how is it statistical noise

Or, at least, you can't necessarily show a causal connection

You can show a CORRELATION

i can't necessarily show a causal connection between what

Do I have to quote you back to yourself?

you can just specify what you're talking about

You're saying: people with lower IQs are less economically successful

You're saying: black people have lower IQs (in general)

You're saying: therefore being black leads to poverty

more or less

Those arguments don't follow

They're not connected in the way you think they are

I'm trying to show you how they can be correlated, and not part of a causal chain

yeah they can be

But they aren't