Message from @Лт. Бакугоу Катсуки (казненный)

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2019-03-23 08:52:42 UTC  

You have never read a book apparently. And I know whatever reply you have will be empty of references to coherent ideas

In theory, you are right @Deleted User.

But considering that organized theism has helped perpetuating the system by giving them divine "validation", that's why the historical Left is angry at them.

As what Karl Marx said, "Religion is the opium of the people".

And way long before Marxism was a thing, the Protestant movement kinda got the message of proto-socialism very well.

2019-03-23 09:02:12 UTC  

Okay you are jumping around a lot now. Let's get one thing clear. Theism and Communist doesn't mix

I stood corrected.

But there is one thing the Protestants of 15th Century Germany didnt get.

Organized theism only helped creating division.

2019-03-23 09:05:22 UTC  

I have nothing against Protestants. I think this was a smart development over pedo-sodomatic catholicism

2019-03-23 09:05:46 UTC  

However I would only ever side with Confessional Lutherans

To think, Protestantism itself broke to a thousand pieces as the bigger body starts stagnating then a smaller group catches fire in zeal to fan up the old flames.

Then this smaller body grows, becomes as decadent as those before it, cycle repeats.

2019-03-23 09:07:26 UTC  

Every Christian is a Church when you think about it. I am merely referring to the idea that the centralised Church is empty of meaning and the future of believers is not in Rome

Also, in socialist parallels, Mao was also envisioning of this concept. He knows that the Party would lose steam eventually and slip back to replace the bourgoise they threw out.

2019-03-23 09:08:18 UTC  

Oh no

That's why he gave his blessing to a few rebellious university students disgusted by the CCP's decadence in the 60s, setting off the Cultural Revolution.

2019-03-23 09:10:30 UTC  

Have you read Hoxha's comments on Mao? I tend to agree with it. The world can be reducable to force-politics and the idea, no, the hope of something outside of it is lacking. Maoism is not exported. And if I might be controversial, it was class-collaborationist to begin with and no true revolution,

I was basing from the stand about Maoism as how the Communist Party of the Philippines sees it.

The CPP's flavor of Maoism, a flexible one that can be suited for various social needs for Third World countries, is known as "Marxism-Leninism-Maoism"

Basically, they just charged and refiltered the existing body of socialism the Russians were exporting with Mao's philosophy.

2019-03-23 09:14:28 UTC  

Okay so which historical period are you talking about. After Deng it's a runaway train of justification

The "Maoism that is not exported" is Mao Zedong Thought, as it only applies on Chinese society.

2019-03-23 09:16:18 UTC  

And you are conscious of the fact that the Maoist revolution involved all classes and to extend it's definition as a 'Marxist' revolution is misleading?

Maoism in a sense also kinda has this patriotic taste. That is why its very popular in the Third World.

Marxism in face value works best on already established nation-states, where there's already a deep-seated oligarchy to hate.

In short, creating a new socialist country vs. converting a country into socialism.

Even if I like Mao's philosophy, I don't condone some of his policies I find as idiotic.

Like the Sparrow Campaign for example.

Anyone who has studied Earth Science would facepalm at that, even if he/she is not a left-winger.

The Great Leap Forward also fucked up because of some stupid policies too.

2019-03-23 09:22:35 UTC  

At some point you have to throw up your arms and just admit Maoism is just the encouragement of the 'third world' to develop itself. There is no such thing as socialism or the waging of war against capitalism as Stalin prescribed. I know it is unclear, but let's not assign more than necessary. To be clear, any Marxist-Leninist Party today would be taking power and make new theory and practice together, and yet the world is devoid of such examples, even though we are close

And also, the Filipino commie party also learned a lot of hard lessons from Great Leap, Sparrow Campaign, and of course, Pol Pot.

Another reason they can't forgive the post-1976 Chinese Communist Party was propping up Pol Pot, which basically damaged the PR of Asian communist movements.

Khmer Rouge was basically a disaster to Marxism just as DAESH is to Islam, Zionism to Judaism, and the KKK and the Lord's Resistance Army are to Christianity.

2019-03-23 10:00:19 UTC  

I don't think extremism is bad. The extents of interpretation all apart of the overall tendency. As Lenin said, my only morality is class conflict. The which advances it is good, and that which frustrates it is bad. To get hysterical about this or that event is to miss the overall process. There is no act on this earth so bad that if it advanced my aims I would reject