We're talking about Trotskyist opportunism

Worse than Kautskyism

Okay revisionist, hide from the fact that you're no Marxist

Says the tr*t

>when you haven't read any marx

What are you gonna do? Butcher some more anarchists like you did at Kronstadt?

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Remember makhnovia, trot?

How does it feel to be both hated by anarchists and Marxists?

... You're not a Marxist

Dumbass moment when the ML calls himself a Marxist 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡

>getting social democrats to take over the government
>hur hey guys I'm a Marxist I swear

**Commodity production**

"Trotsky’s major mistake is that he ignores the bourgeois character of the revolution and has no clear conception of the transition from this revolution to the socialist revolution. This major mistake leads to those mistakes on side issues which Comrade Martov repeats when he quotes a couple of them with sympathy and approval. Not to leave matters in the confused state to which Comrade Martov has reduced them by his exposition, we shall at least expose the fallacy of those arguments of Trotsky which have won approval of Comrade Martov.”
Lenin

***Commodity production***

Inb4 Trotsky comes out with a letter in poorly traced handwriting on Lenin's "hurr hey guys Lenin says I'm good, no it's not faked I swear"

When has a Trotskyist state ever existed?

`Commodity production`

Perhaps it's such a useless ideology that it never gets any popularity

>when your ideology can be disassembled with 2 words yet you call Trotskyism useless

**Dictatorship of the proletariat**

Debunked in 4 words

Dictatorship of the proletariat does not mean bureaucracy you fucking revisionist

>implying tr*tsky didn't want bureaucracy

Honestly your revisionism of Marxism would only destroy the economy, and also return the country to the feudal stage

Trotsky literally refused to take the USSR in a military coup because it would be inherently bureaucratic

Anyway later revisionist, the true Marxist is going to plane land

Ok bye tr*t

Try not to get icepicked

And as for the commodity production, you can read this later

Socialism is a period of transition where you have some leftover relations from the capitalist mode of production co-existing with an emerging communist mode. Nobody, not even Stalin, denied that there was commodity production in the USSR and that as long as it existed it would be an obstacle to achieving communism. However, Stalin still considered the USSR distinct from a capitalist society in that:

The most important means of production were no longer produced as commodities (that is, they were not produced to be bought and sold but were instead allocated based on the needs of the workers)

The proletariat planned production through the state

There was no longer production of surplus value, in the sense that the social surplus was no longer appropriated by a class standing above the proletariat.

There can be a debate about to what extent these things were actually true. I'm of the opinion that they were true for the most part during the Stalin years, but that all of those things were eroded significantly from the mid-50's onward, culminating in the outright collapse of the USSR. But even if one wishes to make an argument that the USSR was never distinct from capitalism, i think you have to tackle the points that Stalin and others actually made. The mere existence of commodity production doesn't prove the USSR was simply capitalist.

With that said, you are right that commodity production even in socialism provides an economic basis for the return of capitalism. But Marxist-Leninists and Maoists have always believed that the goal is obviously to eliminate commodity production. In past socialist projects, the maintenance of a sphere of commodity production was considered at the time a temporarily necessary evil. In today's world, it will probably be easier to eliminate commodity production more quickly than it would have been in the 20th century.

"And so, in the first phase of communist society (usually called socialism) "bourgeois law" is not abolished in its entirety, but only in part, only in proportion to the economic revolution so far attained, i.e., only in respect of the means of production. "Bourgeois law" recognizes them as the private property of individuals. Socialism converts them into common property. To that extent--and to that extent alone--"bourgeois law" disappears.

In fact, when a learned professor, followed by the philistine, followed in turn by the Tseretelis and Chernovs, talks of wild utopias, of the demagogic promises of the Bolsheviks, of the impossibility of “introducing” socialism, it is the higher stage, or phase, of communism he has in mind

But the scientific distinction between socialism and communism is clear. What is usually called socialism was termed by Marx the “first”, or lower, phase of communist society. Insofar as the means of production becomes common property, the word “communism” is also applicable here, providing we do not forget that this is not complete communism"

-The State and Revolution, Lenin V.I.

about stalin with fashists etc

stalin offered treaty to british first

becouse of the great purge red army was in no condition to fight in any major war so stalin wanted to buy time till 1944 to rebuild the red army

fack trots

you say stalin was friend with fashists

trots in spain sabotaged republican spain

spied for japanise in china

colaborated with ustase and were against defence of czehoslovakia in jugoslavija <:bour:313709044957315082>,*ivan get the icepick*

ok