Message from @Borzo

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2019-04-07 08:21:17 UTC  

Marx + Lenin = revisionism

2019-04-07 08:21:24 UTC  

Right buddy

2019-04-07 08:21:30 UTC  

Maybe if you actually read Marx you'd understand Marxist theory

2019-04-07 08:22:14 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/564364299058020373/image0.jpg

2019-04-07 08:22:39 UTC  

What are you, a bordigan tr*t

2019-04-07 08:22:49 UTC  

That's about maximum revisionism

2019-04-07 08:24:02 UTC  

'The wealth of societies in which the capitalist mode of production prevails appears as an "immense collection of Commodities"; the individual commodity appears as its elementary form'

Or alternatively

'no fucking Commodities you god damn fucking idiot'

2019-04-07 08:24:08 UTC  

At the Second Congress of the R.S.D.L.P in 1903 Lenin said in the Third Speech in the Discussion on the Agrarian Programme, “Therein lies the fundamental difference between us and the liberals, whose talk about changes and reforms ‘pollutes’ the minds of the people. If we were to set forth in detail all the demands for the abolition of serf-ownership, we should fill whole volumes. That is why we mention only the more important forms and varieties of serfdom, and leave it to our committees in the various localities to draw up and advance their particular demands in development of the general programme. Trotsky’s remark to the effect that we cannot concern ourselves with local demand is wrong, for the question…is not only a local one.”

2019-04-07 08:24:51 UTC  

"To come to the main subject, I must say that Comrade Trotsky has completely misunderstood Comrade Plekhanov’s fundamental idea, and his arguments have therefore evaded the gist of the matter. He has spoken of intellectuals and workers, of the class point of view and of the mass movement, but he has failed to notice a basic question: does my formulation narrow or expand the concept of a Party member? If he had asked himself that question, he would have easily have seen that my formulation narrows this concept, while Martov’s expands it, for (to use Martov’s own correct expression) what distinguishes his concept is its ‘elasticity.’ And in the period of Party life that we are now passing through it is just this ‘elasticity’ that undoubtedly opens the door to all elements of confusion, vacillation, and opportunism. To refute this simple and obvious conclusion it has to be proved that there are no such elements; but it has not even occurred to Comrade Trotsky to do that."

2019-04-07 08:25:08 UTC  

"Nor can that be proved, for everyone knows that such elements exist in plenty, and they are to be found in the working class too…. Comrade Trotsky completely misinterpreted the main idea of my book, What Is To Be Done? when he spoke about the Party not being a conspiratorial organization. He forgot that in my book I propose a number of various types of organizations, from the most secret and most exclusive to comparatively broad and ‘loose’ organizations. He forgot that the Party must be only the vanguard, the leader of the vast masses of the working class, the whole (or nearly the whole) of which works ‘under the control and direction’ of the Party organizations, but the whole of which does not and should not belong to a ‘party.’ Now let us see what conclusions Comrade Trotsky arrives at in consequence of his fundamental mistake. He had told us here that if rank after rank of workers were arrested, and all the workers were to declare that they did not belong to the Party, our Party would be a strange one indeed! Is it not the other way round? Is it not Comrade Trotsky’s argument that is strange? He regards as something sad that which a revolutionary with any experience at all would only rejoice at. If hundreds and thousands of workers who were arrested for taking part in strikes and demonstrations did not prove to be members of Party organizations, it would only show that we have good organizations, and that we are fulfilling our task of keeping a more or less limited circle of leaders secret and drawing the broadest possible masses into the movement.”

2019-04-07 08:25:16 UTC  

Lenin^

2019-04-07 08:25:27 UTC  

Non of these are related to commodity production

2019-04-07 08:25:40 UTC  

Lmao quit trying to change the subject

2019-04-07 08:25:49 UTC  

Tr*tsky was a Menshevik opportunist

2019-04-07 08:25:59 UTC  

And you can't deny that

2019-04-07 08:26:18 UTC  

***Yes I'm changing the subject even though we were talking about Marxism Leninisms revisionism***

2019-04-07 08:26:18 UTC  

And Lenin disliked him

2019-04-07 08:26:43 UTC  

We're talking about Trotskyist opportunism

2019-04-07 08:26:59 UTC  

Worse than Kautskyism

2019-04-07 08:27:06 UTC  

Okay revisionist, hide from the fact that you're no Marxist

2019-04-07 08:27:18 UTC  

Says the tr*t

2019-04-07 08:27:28 UTC  

>when you haven't read any marx

2019-04-07 08:27:45 UTC  

What are you gonna do? Butcher some more anarchists like you did at Kronstadt?

2019-04-07 08:27:52 UTC  

🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡

2019-04-07 08:28:02 UTC  

Remember makhnovia, trot?

2019-04-07 08:28:16 UTC  

How does it feel to be both hated by anarchists and Marxists?

2019-04-07 08:28:37 UTC  

... You're not a Marxist

2019-04-07 08:28:59 UTC  

Dumbass moment when the ML calls himself a Marxist 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡

2019-04-07 08:29:13 UTC  

>getting social democrats to take over the government
>hur hey guys I'm a Marxist I swear

2019-04-07 08:29:44 UTC  

**Commodity production**

2019-04-07 08:30:33 UTC  

"Trotsky’s major mistake is that he ignores the bourgeois character of the revolution and has no clear conception of the transition from this revolution to the socialist revolution. This major mistake leads to those mistakes on side issues which Comrade Martov repeats when he quotes a couple of them with sympathy and approval. Not to leave matters in the confused state to which Comrade Martov has reduced them by his exposition, we shall at least expose the fallacy of those arguments of Trotsky which have won approval of Comrade Martov.”
Lenin

2019-04-07 08:31:14 UTC  

***Commodity production***

2019-04-07 08:31:44 UTC  

Inb4 Trotsky comes out with a letter in poorly traced handwriting on Lenin's "hurr hey guys Lenin says I'm good, no it's not faked I swear"

2019-04-07 08:32:03 UTC  

When has a Trotskyist state ever existed?

2019-04-07 08:32:03 UTC  

`Commodity production`

2019-04-07 08:32:20 UTC  

Perhaps it's such a useless ideology that it never gets any popularity

2019-04-07 08:32:50 UTC  

>when your ideology can be disassembled with 2 words yet you call Trotskyism useless

2019-04-07 08:32:58 UTC  

**Dictatorship of the proletariat**

2019-04-07 08:33:09 UTC  

Debunked in 4 words

2019-04-07 08:33:21 UTC  

Dictatorship of the proletariat does not mean bureaucracy you fucking revisionist

2019-04-07 08:33:41 UTC  

>implying tr*tsky didn't want bureaucracy