Message from @Deleted User
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Not obeying from authority, thinking for yourself
Thinking process is the best
thats the next step
historical materialism
there are anarchist critiques of education, for self-management
@Blebleh Who said anything about being guided blindly? If science shows that progress is better in another way, who are you to abandon it for idealistic reasons like 'personal growth and sovereignty'?
people would want to become scientists more often
as the greeks did
Today people are guided blindly with media, with biased books of history and pseudoscientifc closed models of economy
looking for yourself more leads you to compare, to see what's happening
with this shitty education system, it makes people want to become mathemations and scientists even more
because they always associate it with a 50 question test
@Deleted User it doesn't say the other way. Both objective and subjective is present. And there is ways to be on each side. And in the middle. Or anywhere. Both ways are working. You can carefully direct in both ways. Science says it.
I'm not saying that we should leave public education for total freedom of learning
We inherit scientific knowledge
But in some areas today the social science is totally bourgeois
We have to teach to think critically and give tools to self-learning
@Ornament That's true. I was hoping the context was not lost. If science shows that free time is good for us, then let's do that. I wasn't saying either/or. However, if we have a clear goal in mind, then the opportunity for idle activity only exists insofar as it creates greater progress, which is measurable.
@Deleted User Idle is not so very idle. More thought is present after accumulating free time. Every subject learns faster and use it for its development. There is a combination of social freedoms and authoritarian government. The subjectivity must grow for a developed consciousness. It is best for whole society.
You abstract yourself from developments without certain liberties.
I think that a lot of people in capitalism instead of looking for an alternative they go and "carpe diem"
drink alcohol, get fun
etc.
they conceive leisure time to get fun nothing more
their duties are the work
@Ornament But it may not be true forever. And if progress becomes difficult in this way, we should not shy away from it. That is my contribution.
@Deleted User Why would one or the other way be prevalent? For which purpose? Two ways is better than 1.
Maybe at times one is more prevalent
@Ornament That's true, but we can not foresee the future. There are qualitative changes in the dialectic that may be forms that are unexpected. I wanted to be rigorous about that point. Things that we like are not always correct. Which brings us back to the original contention of intention when it conflicts with correctness.
@Deleted User Which forms?
@Ornament You mean like what comes after Communism? I do not know.
it's the end of history
Is it?
yes, to each according to his need
Forever and ever amen?
if we conceive this as post-scarcity yes; and I can't imagine what it would take
how many time
@Deleted User There shouldn't be many for long.
Wow, I did not know about this End of History idea. I assumed the Dialectical process went on forever, and if it didn't, then it's end was just part of a process within an even greater Dialectical process.