Message from @petit bourgeois
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@Deleted User it is not preconception. I see it happening everyday. It is a great advantage to have free time.
except when corruption is there; then it could all be degenerated
which is why I prefer anarchist models like a federation with delegates and so on, no ban on factions; the platform and the unions to achieve it
@Ornament Free to do what?
maybe a party but independent from the rest
@Deleted User anything.
@Ornament It is a great advantage to do 'anything'?
@Deleted User yes. To grow as a subject
@Ornament Grow in what way?
If it wasn't for that, how could have I read about marxism, anarchism, etc.?
@Deleted User in a sovereign way
@Ornament What is the great advantage in personal sovereignty?
@Deleted User Fast evolution.
Not being guided blindly
Not obeying from authority, thinking for yourself
Thinking process is the best
thats the next step
historical materialism
there are anarchist critiques of education, for self-management
@Blebleh Who said anything about being guided blindly? If science shows that progress is better in another way, who are you to abandon it for idealistic reasons like 'personal growth and sovereignty'?
as the greeks did
Today people are guided blindly with media, with biased books of history and pseudoscientifc closed models of economy
looking for yourself more leads you to compare, to see what's happening
with this shitty education system, it makes people want to become mathemations and scientists even more
because they always associate it with a 50 question test
@Deleted User it doesn't say the other way. Both objective and subjective is present. And there is ways to be on each side. And in the middle. Or anywhere. Both ways are working. You can carefully direct in both ways. Science says it.
I'm not saying that we should leave public education for total freedom of learning
We inherit scientific knowledge
But in some areas today the social science is totally bourgeois
We have to teach to think critically and give tools to self-learning
@Ornament That's true. I was hoping the context was not lost. If science shows that free time is good for us, then let's do that. I wasn't saying either/or. However, if we have a clear goal in mind, then the opportunity for idle activity only exists insofar as it creates greater progress, which is measurable.
@Deleted User Idle is not so very idle. More thought is present after accumulating free time. Every subject learns faster and use it for its development. There is a combination of social freedoms and authoritarian government. The subjectivity must grow for a developed consciousness. It is best for whole society.
You abstract yourself from developments without certain liberties.
@Ornament If that is true, I support it.
I think that a lot of people in capitalism instead of looking for an alternative they go and "carpe diem"
drink alcohol, get fun
etc.
they conceive leisure time to get fun nothing more
their duties are the work
@Ornament But it may not be true forever. And if progress becomes difficult in this way, we should not shy away from it. That is my contribution.