Ehh but what if this gulag has been monetized?

I don't like mixing marxism with spiritual elements, neither the cult of personality, the leader culture

@Ornament Exactly. Science may determine that happiness and recreation is necessary to progress or it may suggest to move away from this paradigm if it means progress is faster. We should not hold onto our preconceptions as sacred cows.

So as to provide revenue for the glorious daddy state

there are religions for socialism, like dhamnic socialism

Ehhhh

Buddhism works

I don't think to prived renevue for the glorious daddy state; I don't think this state as a daddy

I think in the people, in the working class; the state means violence, state power is used by a class or by other one

@Deleted User it is not preconception. I see it happening everyday. It is a great advantage to have free time.

except when corruption is there; then it could all be degenerated

which is why I prefer anarchist models like a federation with delegates and so on, no ban on factions; the platform and the unions to achieve it

@Ornament Free to do what?

maybe a party but independent from the rest

@Deleted User anything.

@Ornament It is a great advantage to do 'anything'?

@Deleted User yes. To grow as a subject

@Ornament Grow in what way?

If it wasn't for that, how could have I read about marxism, anarchism, etc.?

@Deleted User in a sovereign way

@Ornament What is the great advantage in personal sovereignty?

@Deleted User Fast evolution.

Not being guided blindly

Not obeying from authority, thinking for yourself

Thinking process is the best

thats the next step

historical materialism

there are anarchist critiques of education, for self-management

@Blebleh Who said anything about being guided blindly? If science shows that progress is better in another way, who are you to abandon it for idealistic reasons like 'personal growth and sovereignty'?

people would want to become scientists more often

as the greeks did

Today people are guided blindly with media, with biased books of history and pseudoscientifc closed models of economy

looking for yourself more leads you to compare, to see what's happening

with this shitty education system, it makes people want to become mathemations and scientists even more

because they always associate it with a 50 question test

@Deleted User it doesn't say the other way. Both objective and subjective is present. And there is ways to be on each side. And in the middle. Or anywhere. Both ways are working. You can carefully direct in both ways. Science says it.

I'm not saying that we should leave public education for total freedom of learning

We inherit scientific knowledge

But in some areas today the social science is totally bourgeois

We have to teach to think critically and give tools to self-learning

@Ornament That's true. I was hoping the context was not lost. If science shows that free time is good for us, then let's do that. I wasn't saying either/or. However, if we have a clear goal in mind, then the opportunity for idle activity only exists insofar as it creates greater progress, which is measurable.