shame

still have some of those abandoned villages out in spain withviable potable water supplies, going cheap eh? people left as the electricity and telephone companies wouldnt hook em up?

those usually get occupied by people who want to live more humble lives, by themselves

communes, basically

set up a vineyard and cannabis production outlet...would pay for itself over a few years...

might be quite productive political nodes

A vineyard? that's not as easy as it sounds

better than average squatting culture

Those aren't squatters

It's not the same

well, it'd take some years....but could transplant from existing vineyards

yes, and what are you going to do if they freeze?

you can't put your eggs in one basket with things like that

what those guys do is, for example

i met a lot of spanish commune living people...better than a lot of western euro comparatives but still seemingly a bit random

they fix roofs or houses that don't get access to electricity with traditional tools

dunno....maybe thinking laterally and keeping small individual plots and sinking the them into the ground rather than at surface and using a lot of polyprolene shells

that way you don't depend of random things like the weather

or how good the crops are going to be

Even then, if something goes wrong weather-wise, you're fucked

could always mitigate natural conditions artificially... dont see why not...

You can't keep them from freezing in this zone

if the temperature gets that low

So it's better not to rely on that kind of thing

almond trees, on the other hand

now that's more safe

The only problem is that, lately, everyone is planting them because the price is rising

So eventually the bubble is going to explode hard

I think the safest bet would be a combination of olive and almond trees and maybe some pistachios too

sry man, i have to bounce...intersting stuff though..glad we got onto better ground for now...catch you on the flip..going to ask you about this topic again. out for now

See ya

Your commune will fail. Mine will not.

I think im learning how to marx now

I'm kidding, of course, but i figured out why I perceive Marx as cancer.

The man himself is a very shallow scholar.

Materialism is not logos, and this is Marx' fatal mistake, one which has not been allowed to be corrected.

explain

Logos includes that which is spiritual, something materialism, particularly Marx's circumcised version of materialism specifically excludes.

so the philosophical uptake of an event as viewed through marx is far too low-resolution to offer any useful analysis

This is why you have miles of dialectic shitstacking, but no arrival at any core truths...the ingestion mechanism is flawed.

i dont know enough about marx's non-economic shit, anyone have a response to of-8