If they would of kept with hardline ML no Rebellion would of happened

they didn't?

heck

They did but they were pawns

Well our Stalinist leadership was cool

It was more stalinist then the ussr

Stalinism isn't a real thing

im polish but i don't really know anything about communist poland in a marxist perspective

It's a slur for ML used by Trots and Anarchists

lol yeah

i came from another leftypol server and they told me ML is just glourified demsoc

and that we should abandon marx theory

You gave me cancer

Cia agents

honestly it fucking shocked me

They did the hungarian revolution aswell

I didn't even know someone could be that dumb

la-z-boy - Today at 4:07 PM
@petit bourgeois It's been incorporated perfectly into it as an ideological slogan, the understanding that gave rise to the ideas is meanwhile being lost. Ownership of the means of production is something capitalism has no problem propagating if it serves to stabilize capital, same with the dictatorship of the proletariat, in the worse case scenario you end up with a ML state. What the real goal is, is to fundamentally reorganize society as to abandon the law of value and move into the organization around use value, and for that we need sensible theory and praxis which allows us to do this without degenerating into opportunism - that is social democracy, state capitalism, fascism and so on.

I seek death

la-z-boy - Today at 4:11 PM
@Epyc Wynn at least you're not a ML who is just in denial about being a socdem

kill me

P U R E I D E O L I G Y

this is almost better than Prageru

I don't even attempt to talk to someone like that

la-z-boy - Today at 4:03 PM
@petit bourgeois @Bread Yes I was, Marxism as a tradition nowadays has been fully incorporated within the capitalist system and is utilized by it to stabilize capital. Look at all communist parties in the world and leftist movements, unions as well, they serve to organize workers and paint pictures of worker control & organization, of automation and luxury, all unwilling to adhere to the fundamental message that Marx delivered to us. If we want to move beyond this state of things, we need to move beyond Marx

It's a waste of time

im tempted to just leave

I would

I would too

holy fuck this is sad

The amount of ignorance you need to say stuff like that will just lead to you being dumbed down by being near them

I dont think that a sane leftist could say this

i think your breath stinks

they said that socialism was communism

Sorry

no difference

A sane and intelligent person couldn't say that

honestly what a fucking prageru clone

^

я не говорим по-китайский?

And "they said that socialism was communism" is something an orthodox marxist would say so that's not as bad