Message from @Deleted User

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2017-05-21 23:06:41 UTC  

They face it and learn next time

2017-05-21 23:06:56 UTC  

What if they do not learn?

2017-05-21 23:07:33 UTC  

Then they chose to act against their own interests for something, it'd mean that the majority and the minority is irrational

2017-05-21 23:08:06 UTC  

this is prevented from the platform anyways, it's not that we pull democracy out of thin air

2017-05-21 23:08:55 UTC  

the previous development pulled the theory, which could shape the constitution; example: putting that all exploitation is banned because it's a right and studying in the academia how it works

2017-05-21 23:09:04 UTC  

self-managed media, etc. this can't be done now

2017-05-21 23:10:06 UTC  

in bourgeois democracy the media is controlled by hierarchies and capitalists in their own interests, parties depend on funding (with an advantage to capitalists) and to change the whole system you need to face the external imperialism and opposition

2017-05-21 23:10:11 UTC  

so it's like a dictatorship

2017-05-21 23:10:13 UTC  

'Acting against their own interests' can be avoided with authority that is grounded in material reality, that is, when intellectual superiors have higher authority to the average

2017-05-21 23:10:34 UTC  

also, education serves capital with terms like totalitarianism and mainstream economics

2017-05-21 23:11:24 UTC  

that's assuming there are intellectual superiors

2017-05-21 23:11:46 UTC  

Are you saying that everyone has equal intellectual ability?

2017-05-21 23:12:03 UTC  

if educated, yes

2017-05-21 23:12:39 UTC  

a few books aren't so difficult

2017-05-21 23:13:39 UTC  

So if we both read the same book, we understand it with equal depth and insight?

2017-05-21 23:14:17 UTC  

Unless we are clones raised in mirror worlds, this is never true.

2017-05-21 23:17:39 UTC  

public education can make tests and there could be assemblies with consensus about it; but about interpretations, there could be factions

2017-05-21 23:17:58 UTC  

and I think that giving a minority the authority because other minority think that they're best is the wrong way

2017-05-21 23:18:16 UTC  

wouldn't it be easier to have an authority

2017-05-21 23:18:19 UTC  

it's an imposition

2017-05-21 23:18:26 UTC  

How many different interpretations of '2 + 2 = 4' are there?

2017-05-21 23:18:42 UTC  

what if

2017-05-21 23:18:52 UTC  

teachers had like democratic elections

2017-05-21 23:19:04 UTC  

so if they don't work they can't preach to their tenure

2017-05-21 23:19:09 UTC  

in the decimal system this is true

2017-05-21 23:19:15 UTC  

and it should be taught as science

2017-05-21 23:19:21 UTC  

although not in a binary one

2017-05-21 23:19:31 UTC  

Consensus is a logical fallacy, appeal to popularity.

2017-05-21 23:19:56 UTC  

It is only sigificant if based in science.

2017-05-21 23:20:17 UTC  

anarchists unions try to discuss in assemblies and get into a consensus, convince who doesn't agree with them

2017-05-21 23:20:29 UTC  

What a waste of time.

2017-05-21 23:20:33 UTC  

this could take more time yes

2017-05-21 23:20:40 UTC  

but after it we don't have to do again the law

2017-05-21 23:20:44 UTC  

change the government, etc.

2017-05-21 23:20:54 UTC  

because we already agreed and learned from it

2017-05-21 23:21:12 UTC  

in other cases, there could be supermajorities

2017-05-21 23:21:35 UTC  

Assuming you made the correct discussion, which you cannot know because you care more about consensus than authoritative truths.

2017-05-21 23:21:36 UTC  

and in irreconciliable cases factions

2017-05-21 23:21:55 UTC  

no

2017-05-21 23:22:10 UTC  

scientifical truths doesn't depend on democracy

2017-05-21 23:22:24 UTC  

this is built on the platform in a pre-revolutionary phase