Message from @Blebleh

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2017-05-21 22:59:59 UTC  

Isn't democracy also corruptible?

2017-05-21 23:00:35 UTC  

no if the delegates are watched closely, recallable and totally delegated

2017-05-21 23:00:42 UTC  

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2017-05-21 23:00:53 UTC  

a proliteriat one is much less corruptable too

2017-05-21 23:01:09 UTC  

but yeah there should be a state regulating it

2017-05-21 23:01:14 UTC  

and guns

2017-05-21 23:01:16 UTC  

because kulak

2017-05-21 23:01:59 UTC  

@Blebleh Let me clarify, you are saying, democracy is incorruptible?

2017-05-21 23:02:56 UTC  

democracy in your phrase is ambiguous

2017-05-21 23:03:04 UTC  

I think a consensus democracy with a culture of revision is good

2017-05-21 23:03:21 UTC  

combined with a delegative democracy (liquid democracy) for irreconciliable factions

2017-05-21 23:03:37 UTC  

Well, anyone can say 'a very specific kind of X is perfect'

2017-05-21 23:03:44 UTC  

Look how the USSR was disolved

2017-05-21 23:03:49 UTC  

against the will of the people

2017-05-21 23:03:59 UTC  

I want to make in such a way that people will be alert for that

2017-05-21 23:04:07 UTC  

or they'd be fired

2017-05-21 23:04:42 UTC  

not from the top to the bottom

2017-05-21 23:05:54 UTC  

What happens when the people are wrong?

2017-05-21 23:06:41 UTC  

They face it and learn next time

2017-05-21 23:06:56 UTC  

What if they do not learn?

2017-05-21 23:07:33 UTC  

Then they chose to act against their own interests for something, it'd mean that the majority and the minority is irrational

2017-05-21 23:08:06 UTC  

this is prevented from the platform anyways, it's not that we pull democracy out of thin air

2017-05-21 23:08:55 UTC  

the previous development pulled the theory, which could shape the constitution; example: putting that all exploitation is banned because it's a right and studying in the academia how it works

2017-05-21 23:09:04 UTC  

self-managed media, etc. this can't be done now

2017-05-21 23:10:06 UTC  

in bourgeois democracy the media is controlled by hierarchies and capitalists in their own interests, parties depend on funding (with an advantage to capitalists) and to change the whole system you need to face the external imperialism and opposition

2017-05-21 23:10:11 UTC  

so it's like a dictatorship

2017-05-21 23:10:13 UTC  

'Acting against their own interests' can be avoided with authority that is grounded in material reality, that is, when intellectual superiors have higher authority to the average

2017-05-21 23:10:34 UTC  

also, education serves capital with terms like totalitarianism and mainstream economics

2017-05-21 23:11:24 UTC  

that's assuming there are intellectual superiors

2017-05-21 23:11:46 UTC  

Are you saying that everyone has equal intellectual ability?

2017-05-21 23:12:03 UTC  

if educated, yes

2017-05-21 23:12:39 UTC  

a few books aren't so difficult

2017-05-21 23:13:39 UTC  

So if we both read the same book, we understand it with equal depth and insight?

2017-05-21 23:14:17 UTC  

Unless we are clones raised in mirror worlds, this is never true.

2017-05-21 23:17:39 UTC  

public education can make tests and there could be assemblies with consensus about it; but about interpretations, there could be factions

2017-05-21 23:17:58 UTC  

and I think that giving a minority the authority because other minority think that they're best is the wrong way

2017-05-21 23:18:16 UTC  

wouldn't it be easier to have an authority

2017-05-21 23:18:19 UTC  

it's an imposition

2017-05-21 23:18:26 UTC  

How many different interpretations of '2 + 2 = 4' are there?

2017-05-21 23:18:42 UTC  

what if

2017-05-21 23:18:52 UTC  

teachers had like democratic elections