Message from @Blebleh
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Are you trying to strawman me?
Let me get this right. You have people teaching ideology, but there are no leaders. You have people making a platform, but there is no hierarchy?
Ah, I understand you
there's no hierarchy inside the platform, but the people who can't get into the platform can consent
Hooray!
That's authoritarian.
Well, it would be.
If you didn't rely on a deceptive formality like 'consent'.
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this
is what politics should be
What I would add is that consensus in itself has little bearing on correct decision making.
I don't think that liberating ourselves from the original authoritarians is an authoritarian act, but a libertarian one; without banning factions.
it has to do with accountability
to make sure that people understand what they're choosing and what's going on
Why not just educate?
What has the formality of choice have to do with anything?
Yes educate, I think you're viewing the politics as something very positive right now
it has to do with a culture of revision
Yes. So why not just educate on what is happening and the reasons why it is happening, and just skip the whole 'okay now sign here I need your consent please'.
If you're referring to a pre-revolutionary phase, the platform needs to measure the support in a certain form and we need to organize for the revolution
does anyone know about the left caucus in the DSA
I agree that is important. But you still deny that there is authority involved? Obviously this executive comes from somewhere.
@Blebleh All of anarchism is pre-revolutionary.
I conceive authority as something imposed. If there wasn't a state, the people would seize the means of production; so capitalism needs a state
It's violent but I still consider it a libertarian act
And as pre-revolutionary, in theory I disagree; there's a discussion for example in if we should use wages or not
@Deleted User propaganda of democracy is too strong. You can not educate everyone.
bourgeois democracy
in this democracy some proletarians don't have time for it; the academia is friend of the bourgeoisie
the media is controlled by them