Message from @Cosmetic
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@Deleted User It can with the unions
the unions are revolutionary in that they explain the ideology
appart from getting improvements
otherwise they can't be revolutionary, they have a final objective
My objection is that not all union members have an active role. Basically you give them the memo and then they just sign off on it. That is your idea of non-hierarchy, which is pretty deceptive.
Yes they have an active role
How so?
By holding your banner?
Unions are based in direct action
not in "professionals"
those professionals usually sell the working class
they pact with the bourgeoisie
Are you trying to strawman me?
Let me get this right. You have people teaching ideology, but there are no leaders. You have people making a platform, but there is no hierarchy?
Ah, I understand you
there's no hierarchy inside the platform, but the people who can't get into the platform can consent
Hooray!
That's authoritarian.
Well, it would be.
If you didn't rely on a deceptive formality like 'consent'.
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this
is what politics should be
What I would add is that consensus in itself has little bearing on correct decision making.
I don't think that liberating ourselves from the original authoritarians is an authoritarian act, but a libertarian one; without banning factions.
it has to do with accountability
to make sure that people understand what they're choosing and what's going on
Why not just educate?
What has the formality of choice have to do with anything?
Yes educate, I think you're viewing the politics as something very positive right now
it has to do with a culture of revision
Yes. So why not just educate on what is happening and the reasons why it is happening, and just skip the whole 'okay now sign here I need your consent please'.
If you're referring to a pre-revolutionary phase, the platform needs to measure the support in a certain form and we need to organize for the revolution