Message from @Deleted User

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2017-05-22 00:02:25 UTC  

it's just for promoting ideas or getting the ground prepared

2017-05-22 00:02:56 UTC  

You just said that people don't have time to be in the platform?

2017-05-22 00:03:24 UTC  

Who decides the ideas?

2017-05-22 00:03:25 UTC  

I said that not all

2017-05-22 00:03:35 UTC  

but it can be massive

2017-05-22 00:04:09 UTC  

Not unless every individual has equal intellect and involved. Practically it is not massive in content.

2017-05-22 00:04:10 UTC  

we'd have to select texts from bakunin, marx, etc.

2017-05-22 00:04:41 UTC  

Basically you just want 'consent'.

2017-05-22 00:04:43 UTC  

@Deleted User It can with the unions

2017-05-22 00:05:08 UTC  

the unions are revolutionary in that they explain the ideology

2017-05-22 00:05:12 UTC  

appart from getting improvements

2017-05-22 00:05:27 UTC  

otherwise they can't be revolutionary, they have a final objective

2017-05-22 00:07:32 UTC  

My objection is that not all union members have an active role. Basically you give them the memo and then they just sign off on it. That is your idea of non-hierarchy, which is pretty deceptive.

2017-05-22 00:09:02 UTC  

Yes they have an active role

2017-05-22 00:09:10 UTC  

How so?

2017-05-22 00:09:15 UTC  

By holding your banner?

2017-05-22 00:09:25 UTC  

Unions are based in direct action

2017-05-22 00:09:37 UTC  

not in "professionals"

2017-05-22 00:09:54 UTC  

those professionals usually sell the working class

2017-05-22 00:10:06 UTC  

they pact with the bourgeoisie

2017-05-22 00:10:29 UTC  

Are you trying to strawman me?

2017-05-22 00:11:50 UTC  

Let me get this right. You have people teaching ideology, but there are no leaders. You have people making a platform, but there is no hierarchy?

2017-05-22 00:12:09 UTC  

Ah, I understand you

2017-05-22 00:12:27 UTC  

there's no hierarchy inside the platform, but the people who can't get into the platform can consent

2017-05-22 00:12:38 UTC  

Hooray!

2017-05-22 00:14:37 UTC  

That's authoritarian.

2017-05-22 00:15:02 UTC  

Well, it would be.

2017-05-22 00:15:45 UTC  

If you didn't rely on a deceptive formality like 'consent'.

2017-05-22 00:16:38 UTC  

v

2017-05-22 00:16:41 UTC  

this

2017-05-22 00:16:54 UTC  

is what politics should be

2017-05-22 00:18:45 UTC  

What I would add is that consensus in itself has little bearing on correct decision making.

2017-05-22 00:18:59 UTC  

I don't think that liberating ourselves from the original authoritarians is an authoritarian act, but a libertarian one; without banning factions.