you can't go self-sufficient

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746

Says who

Says me, who has tried to quit

you were shit at it

Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organised groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on US government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence.

ive quit a few times

And has visited and has lots of information about communes

lmfao, communes are exclusively run by retards or they're not called communes

And every single one of them had a relation to capitalism in some way or another

nah, actually nah

its totally possible to own land and the means of production necessary for a fully realized life

literally with no dependency on capital

Then you're becoming the bourgeois

and none of this cancerous commie shit

That's basically participating actively in capitalism

if i trade

for dollars

not only that, but becoming a part of the oppression

Self-sufficiency is only possible on the backs of others who are not so fortunate. It is simple mathematics.

so then the only way to quit capitalism and enable the individual is to enable a state which will disable the realization of the individual

hm

what are you even talking about

What makes you think people have that choice, OF? Do people slaving in sweatshops have that ability? Do people working in mines in Africa so that Apple can have the rare stones it needs for its products have that ability? No.

what's wrong with riding the bcks of others?

the realization of the individual has nothing to do with becoming a capitalist

proof to me this is bad

The point of capitalism is that you are coerced into selling your labor power and participating in it.

Also, as Skittles says, not everyone has a chance

no, you can fuck off to the woods and farm

OF, you clearly haven't worked a single day on the countryside

un true

Or know anything about farming

This is pure idealism

no i ran a couple of larger automated crop farms

no labor, all robots

If you want to stop being exploited you have to fuck off to a farm and grow your own food, totally isolated from the rest of society and never able to live in a society with equal opportunities for everyone.

"Prove to me that exploitation is bad." OF-8 2017

kek

that's not the same as going to the woods and farming

lol no it isnt