the realization of self is the realization that life is WORK

he said on the basis of accusations of terrorism, espionage, and conspiracy, that he preferred death to telling lies

and that previous confessions were obtained under torture

not exploitation, but work, setting a goal and hitting it

do this with vision to a larger goal

Well that source is the only one I've ever seen with Ezhov himself claiming he was tortured

@OF-8 "I choose to be self-contradictory. Therefore the inconsistency doesn't exist. This is logical to me."
Basically you self-flatter yourself to justify your own irrationality.

ok

and since it's pretty obvious he lied about being surrounded by enemies of the people and that the 14,000 (more like 40,000) he executed were such enemies, then even if he does claim he was tortured, why should he be believed?

i dont get how you see that but again, we have deadlocks

i would imagine it to be something around the concept of bodily autonomy

as most deadlocks are

There is one other source cited by Wikipedia but when translated says absolutely nothing about torture despite it being referenced for that, so I'm doubtful of it

but also, this inconsistency cannot exist, as the system i have works, provably works.

He confessed at the trial that the executing of those 14,000 people was true

and justified it through the idea that they were enemies of the people

however, at that same trial he denied espionage, terrorism, and conspiracy

and claimed those confessions were obtained through torture

Right, but he is certainly lying about the number and the nature of the killings

maybe he believed they were actually enemies of the people

There's no evidence he was tortured except his own claim after the investigations and original confessions, and even then he lies about other things, so why should he be trusted?

Okay I really don't think so. lmao

there is no way that can be known

That seems unlikely

well Beria sure didnt believe this

and, on to crown it all, after Ezhov was removed executions and arrests plummeted

We have a lot of evidence of soviet torture in investigations

It is not unbelievable that Yezhov would have been tortured himself

Why would he admit to those things?

Why would he freely condemn himself to death?

Surely he knew that if he stated those things, including conspiracy against Stalin, there would be absolutely no hope left for his survival

@Sorghagtani Beki what is the difference if there was torture or not?

@ShadyMarxist we are discussing whether Yezhov conspired against Stalin to be executed under those reasonings

However, Yezhov claimed that previous confessions were obtained through torture

@Sorghagtani Beki what is the difference?

Torture biases confessions

@Sorghagtani Beki Who cares about confessions?

The soviets most clearly did when they tortured Yezhov into giving them

@Sorghagtani Beki why is it important for us?

Before this, there was also discussion on why Yezhov was executed in the first place

and if it had been for mass killings, why use fabricated excuses?