You don't believe socialism can ever come democratically?

well

not really

The US' "democracy" is a joke

If there's enough public support, it'll happen regardless of what political elites think

it's a pissing contest of who can take more bribes, literally

@Sorghagtani Beki then you get allende'd

unless everyone is armed

and ready to defend themselves

@Sorghagtani Beki The only way to salvage your position is to show an improvement of worker conditions in the future of the US and a reduction in the disparity of income.

Although DeLeon did advocate socialists getting elected to enough offices where they change the constitution to exclude capitalists

lmao

Of course, no one is against that

that would never happen tbh

and worker conditions and reduction in the disparity of income do happen under New Deal Democracy

True, but the problem is that it creates a lull or complacency

I believe the socialist argument is that social democracy would always eventually turn into neoliberalism?

it makes the workers think welfare capitalism can be a permanent solution when it's a temporary one

that usually gets chopped up by mince meat in the future election cycles

even if it were permanent it wouldnt give workers the full value of their labor nor end the for-profit oil wars the US conducts.

Many americans don't like socialism because they feel they are only responsible for themselves and their families

If you can convince me that socialism is capable of being accepted by americans in the future, maybe my opinions would change

Democratic reforms only prolong the inevitable. Like using a tiny cup to scoop water from a sinking boat.

there will just have to be more reform every once in a while then

well Americans are already more open to socialism, millennials actually preferring it outright to capitalism

@Sorghagtani Beki The bourgeois class won't allow that to happen.

In case you haven't noticed, they control the whole government.

Public consensus is more powerful than any bourgeois

That's actually, objectively wrong.

The EU will never be able to take away the social benefits they give

Sorry, I know I sound like an asshole. But it's wrong.

attempting to do so would cost any politician their political influence

You live in ideology wonderland.

If we're talking about the US, public opinion has little to no influence on policy. Business interest groups and billionaires have all the control over public policy, oftentimes writing it themselves and handing it directly to a legislator.

likewise in America, any politician trying to repeal the ACC would be ruined

when the people experience a better society, they will never give it up

Firstly, the Democrats take bribes from the same donors that the Republicans do, for the most part, with some differences.

Secondly, any reforms inevitably get repealed or watered-down.

I do not think the ACC will ever be repealed

Stop talking and start reading.

I mean look at the NHS in England. The Labor Government did that, now Labour is fucked and the NHS is constantly having crises because of the Tories who have been in power for a long ass time now.