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we need workers to be entitled to the full value of their labor
You don't believe socialism can ever come democratically?
well
not really
The US' "democracy" is a joke
If there's enough public support, it'll happen regardless of what political elites think
it's a pissing contest of who can take more bribes, literally
@Sorghagtani Beki then you get allende'd
unless everyone is armed
and ready to defend themselves
@Sorghagtani Beki The only way to salvage your position is to show an improvement of worker conditions in the future of the US and a reduction in the disparity of income.
Although DeLeon did advocate socialists getting elected to enough offices where they change the constitution to exclude capitalists
lmao
Of course, no one is against that
that would never happen tbh
and worker conditions and reduction in the disparity of income do happen under New Deal Democracy
True, but the problem is that it creates a lull or complacency
I believe the socialist argument is that social democracy would always eventually turn into neoliberalism?
it makes the workers think welfare capitalism can be a permanent solution when it's a temporary one
that usually gets chopped up by mince meat in the future election cycles
even if it were permanent it wouldnt give workers the full value of their labor nor end the for-profit oil wars the US conducts.
Many americans don't like socialism because they feel they are only responsible for themselves and their families
If you can convince me that socialism is capable of being accepted by americans in the future, maybe my opinions would change
Democratic reforms only prolong the inevitable. Like using a tiny cup to scoop water from a sinking boat.
there will just have to be more reform every once in a while then
well Americans are already more open to socialism, millennials actually preferring it outright to capitalism
@Sorghagtani Beki The bourgeois class won't allow that to happen.
In case you haven't noticed, they control the whole government.
Public consensus is more powerful than any bourgeois
That's actually, objectively wrong.
The EU will never be able to take away the social benefits they give
Sorry, I know I sound like an asshole. But it's wrong.
attempting to do so would cost any politician their political influence
You live in ideology wonderland.
If we're talking about the US, public opinion has little to no influence on policy. Business interest groups and billionaires have all the control over public policy, oftentimes writing it themselves and handing it directly to a legislator.
likewise in America, any politician trying to repeal the ACC would be ruined
when the people experience a better society, they will never give it up
Firstly, the Democrats take bribes from the same donors that the Republicans do, for the most part, with some differences.
Secondly, any reforms inevitably get repealed or watered-down.
I do not think the ACC will ever be repealed
Stop talking and start reading.