Message from @OF-8

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OF-8
2017-05-25 00:51:48 UTC  

I don't buy that, fully about evolution because im aware of epigenetics and epiproteomics

OF-8
2017-05-25 00:51:54 UTC  

i know what it can and cannot do.

OF-8
2017-05-25 00:52:18 UTC  

This is also why I am forced to reject Darwin;.

OF-8
2017-05-25 00:52:27 UTC  

which cost me lots of friends

Deleted User
2017-05-25 00:52:41 UTC  

Do I say anything about genes not being about to turn on or off?

OF-8
2017-05-25 00:52:59 UTC  

its in the implication of JIT evolution

Deleted User
2017-05-25 00:53:06 UTC  

I am saying that evolution is not perfect.

OF-8
2017-05-25 00:53:25 UTC  

^ this is where we deadlock

OF-8
2017-05-25 00:53:33 UTC  

evolution is the reference standard.

OF-8
2017-05-25 00:53:47 UTC  

we cant change it, and we ought not to direct it

OF-8
2017-05-25 00:54:28 UTC  

not on a whole species, or even macro-cultural level

Deleted User
2017-05-25 00:55:13 UTC  

Evolution builds on previous generations. Which is why there is such thing as an evolutionary dead end. You cannot undo or radically transform. This lack of flexibly makes it imperfect. If you were to manipulate evolutionary pressures on a species you could make it extinct.

OF-8
2017-05-25 00:56:44 UTC  

That's a reflection of your own vulnerability. It's adapt or die no matter the cost or circumstance. That's how evolution makes decisions. You don't get to change that by arguing however eloquently it's imperfections.

OF-8
2017-05-25 00:57:11 UTC  

I don't get to ignore it in my analysis if i deem it 'imperfect,' _THAT_ is pure ideology.

Deleted User
2017-05-25 00:57:40 UTC  

What do you mean, 'you don't get to change it'. Of course you do. It is inevitable.

OF-8
2017-05-25 00:57:55 UTC  

you dont get to change the decision making method of evolution

Deleted User
2017-05-25 00:58:19 UTC  

Ah, that's true. But you can manipulate genetics.

OF-8
2017-05-25 00:58:27 UTC  

It is vastly unwise to do so.

Deleted User
2017-05-25 00:58:37 UTC  

Do you have a good reason not to?

OF-8
2017-05-25 00:59:43 UTC  

It's at once too complex and too misunderstood to apply with any certainty of outcome.

OF-8
2017-05-25 01:00:04 UTC  

We will probably disagree here, but i've worked in genomics for a while now.

OF-8
2017-05-25 01:00:16 UTC  

and while i ought not to appeal to authority

OF-8
2017-05-25 01:00:45 UTC  

or declare myself an expert

OF-8
2017-05-25 01:00:55 UTC  

my personal opinion is a gigantic well researched no

Deleted User
2017-05-25 01:01:07 UTC  

But you can understand, 'it's just too complex' is almost verging on luddite tier rebuttal.

OF-8
2017-05-25 01:01:23 UTC  

which is my eternal disappointment with the determination

OF-8
2017-05-25 01:01:37 UTC  

i hate that i learned all i did and came away with 'we have no idea'

Deleted User
2017-05-25 01:02:08 UTC  

Are you saying genetic research has a low ceiling?

Deleted User
2017-05-25 01:03:02 UTC  

@Blebleh Please stop spamming. The grown ups are talking.

OF-8
2017-05-25 01:04:19 UTC  

Genetic research is a literal meme.

OF-8
2017-05-25 01:04:36 UTC  

You can create a few homunculi, but that's probably about half of what you'll end up with

OF-8
2017-05-25 01:04:55 UTC  

the real manipulation is in proteins, that's the closest control surface we ought to touch

OF-8
2017-05-25 01:05:12 UTC  

simple because genes are not _read only_

Blebleh
2017-05-25 01:05:46 UTC  

You're getting in the game of muh human nature for capitalism

OF-8
2017-05-25 01:05:55 UTC  

ive _BEEN_ in it

Blebleh
2017-05-25 01:06:01 UTC  

when primitive communism and socialism itself worked

OF-8
2017-05-25 01:06:02 UTC  

manipulating human nature for fun and profit

OF-8
2017-05-25 01:06:04 UTC  

thats how i know this shit