Message from @Blebleh

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2017-05-25 00:54:28 UTC  

not on a whole species, or even macro-cultural level

2017-05-25 00:55:13 UTC  

Evolution builds on previous generations. Which is why there is such thing as an evolutionary dead end. You cannot undo or radically transform. This lack of flexibly makes it imperfect. If you were to manipulate evolutionary pressures on a species you could make it extinct.

2017-05-25 00:56:44 UTC  

That's a reflection of your own vulnerability. It's adapt or die no matter the cost or circumstance. That's how evolution makes decisions. You don't get to change that by arguing however eloquently it's imperfections.

2017-05-25 00:57:11 UTC  

I don't get to ignore it in my analysis if i deem it 'imperfect,' _THAT_ is pure ideology.

2017-05-25 00:57:40 UTC  

What do you mean, 'you don't get to change it'. Of course you do. It is inevitable.

2017-05-25 00:57:55 UTC  

you dont get to change the decision making method of evolution

2017-05-25 00:58:19 UTC  

Ah, that's true. But you can manipulate genetics.

2017-05-25 00:58:27 UTC  

It is vastly unwise to do so.

2017-05-25 00:58:37 UTC  

Do you have a good reason not to?

2017-05-25 00:59:43 UTC  

It's at once too complex and too misunderstood to apply with any certainty of outcome.

2017-05-25 01:00:04 UTC  

We will probably disagree here, but i've worked in genomics for a while now.

2017-05-25 01:00:16 UTC  

and while i ought not to appeal to authority

2017-05-25 01:00:45 UTC  

or declare myself an expert

2017-05-25 01:00:55 UTC  

my personal opinion is a gigantic well researched no

2017-05-25 01:01:07 UTC  

But you can understand, 'it's just too complex' is almost verging on luddite tier rebuttal.

2017-05-25 01:01:23 UTC  

which is my eternal disappointment with the determination

2017-05-25 01:01:37 UTC  

i hate that i learned all i did and came away with 'we have no idea'

2017-05-25 01:02:08 UTC  

Are you saying genetic research has a low ceiling?

2017-05-25 01:03:02 UTC  

@Blebleh Please stop spamming. The grown ups are talking.

2017-05-25 01:04:19 UTC  

Genetic research is a literal meme.

2017-05-25 01:04:36 UTC  

You can create a few homunculi, but that's probably about half of what you'll end up with

2017-05-25 01:04:55 UTC  

the real manipulation is in proteins, that's the closest control surface we ought to touch

2017-05-25 01:05:12 UTC  

simple because genes are not _read only_

2017-05-25 01:05:46 UTC  

You're getting in the game of muh human nature for capitalism

2017-05-25 01:05:55 UTC  

ive _BEEN_ in it

2017-05-25 01:06:01 UTC  

when primitive communism and socialism itself worked

2017-05-25 01:06:02 UTC  

manipulating human nature for fun and profit

2017-05-25 01:06:04 UTC  

thats how i know this shit

2017-05-25 01:06:34 UTC  

whatever you did it doesn't matter, it works

2017-05-25 01:06:34 UTC  

@OF-8 That's fantastic but stating your credentials over and over is just wasting space.

2017-05-25 01:07:03 UTC  

true

2017-05-25 01:07:05 UTC  

given

2017-05-25 01:07:15 UTC  

i dont have a marxist badge so i feel unfrockd

2017-05-25 01:07:18 UTC  

its fine

2017-05-25 01:10:32 UTC  

Let's start with really basic practices, like screening unborn cattle for disease, and selective breeding for traits in livestock. Next, genetically modified foods, another common practice. Next, animal cloning and IVF, not really high success rate but successes are successes. Are these things not what you would call progress in genetic research?

2017-05-25 01:11:26 UTC  

Not with regard to the need for humans to trade objects of value, fuck no.

2017-05-25 01:12:48 UTC  

OK, there are two parts here. Modifying humans over time with education and breeding, and outright changing the genome.

2017-05-25 01:13:18 UTC  

In the later, what are the main problems with genetic research which prevents experimentation with editting?