Message from @Deleted User

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2017-05-29 07:17:39 UTC  

He was pretty close to being a communist

2017-05-29 07:17:51 UTC  

Went from banker to political activist to NSDAP member

2017-05-29 07:18:10 UTC  

He was one of the leaders of the German Democratic Party or whatever that shit was called hold on

2017-05-29 07:18:51 UTC  

Fascism must be authoritarian. A weak government is easily crushed. And then if you have a decentralised society, it is crushed militarily. It is a violent world, authoritarianism is the only way out of this quagmire.

2017-05-29 07:19:10 UTC  

I would have to agree with that point.

2017-05-29 07:19:51 UTC  

Authoritarianism is one of the many revolutionary tools necessary for a healthy society

2017-05-29 07:20:13 UTC  

Once it becomes tyrannical the tyrant is cast out and the masses or the oligarchs take control

2017-05-29 07:20:19 UTC  

Which then pervert themselves and allow for the next

2017-05-29 07:20:21 UTC  

And the next

2017-05-29 07:20:44 UTC  

An authoritarian state is the strongest tool to mobilize a nation to combat threats outside and within as well as solve larger problems.

2017-05-29 07:20:47 UTC  

@Deleted User Working class people's labor creates wealth. The bourgeoisie give workers only a portion of what their labor has created, and takes the rest for themselves despite not doing anything but owning the land. Owning a bunch of empty land isnt hurt
ing anyone, but hiring people for 'productive property' does.

2017-05-29 07:20:51 UTC  

Communism, if it is truly the next destination on the cycle, will itself pervert much like any other progression has

2017-05-29 07:20:57 UTC  

What will take over then?

2017-05-29 07:21:01 UTC  

Assuming that after the fall of authority you don't return to capitalism, or change to communism.

2017-05-29 07:21:13 UTC  

bud, you don't think we'll protect ourselves in our individualistic fashion?

2017-05-29 07:21:29 UTC  

we wont need your forms of government to protect ourselves

2017-05-29 07:21:32 UTC  

we'll arrange that.

2017-05-29 07:21:45 UTC  

The individual contributing to the whole is much more valuable than the individual pretending to be the whole.

2017-05-29 07:22:01 UTC  

What if I gave them a bigger portion of what their labor has created and have them all work for me? Why can't they just form their own communes and Co-ops to compete?

2017-05-29 07:22:46 UTC  

don't about 4/5 business fail

2017-05-29 07:22:54 UTC  

@Deleted User Good question. Communism is predicted as inevitable as it is a resolution to the struggle over the means of production. It is the end of an era. After that is pure productivity, crossing a kind of event horizon.

2017-05-29 07:23:04 UTC  

If at first you don't succeed try again @dindins

2017-05-29 07:23:12 UTC  

you're kidding me

2017-05-29 07:23:20 UTC  

no

2017-05-29 07:23:25 UTC  

Its that simple

2017-05-29 07:23:27 UTC  

do you know how much fucking debt that causes

2017-05-29 07:23:31 UTC  

Every revolution has been a crossing or an end to an era

2017-05-29 07:23:40 UTC  

Feudalism to industry

2017-05-29 07:23:43 UTC  

Because under capitalism, one requires capital to buy land. Workers have tried to get together and tried to form their own factories, but exploitation is more profitable.

2017-05-29 07:23:48 UTC  

If you make money you can pay off debt thats how that works @dindins

2017-05-29 07:24:38 UTC  

@Deleted User Yes, but this different. At no time has humanity experienced complete and conscious economic emancipation. It is very radical transformation. Like a singularity.

2017-05-29 07:24:51 UTC  

Oh, theres a book on debt I haven't read yet but its on my list: "Debt: The first 300 years". Ive heard good things.

2017-05-29 07:25:07 UTC  

3000*?

2017-05-29 07:25:09 UTC  

Alright then.

2017-05-29 07:25:11 UTC  

Do you even hear yourself?

2017-05-29 07:25:36 UTC  

Assuming you have read Engels. History is a story of the relationship to production.

2017-05-29 07:26:00 UTC  

Production is related to materials and boy do we all love materials

2017-05-29 07:26:17 UTC  

Yes we do.

2017-05-29 07:26:34 UTC  

That is a very narrow view on such a complicated subject.

2017-05-29 07:27:02 UTC  

This is the materialist theory of history.

2017-05-29 07:27:19 UTC  

It is mentioned in the link I posted for you.