Message from @Sampuka
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freedom is the ultimate goal?
if by that you mean a stateless society without exploitation yes
hmm
Do you believe in trade?
should people trade?
items
yes
isn't the case that eventually trade results in a capitalist market?
without capital?
my point is:
capitals are natural result of trade, in order to NOT have capital, you have to enfoce it = not freedom
so you rely on state control once more
what's the fucking difference between com and ancom
capital is not a natural result of trade
keep in mind I haven't read your conversation
catalonia and makhno's ukraine were same as ussr only that they had a syndicate and a warlord ruling everything instead of a vanguard party
just peeping in
no legit question
nobody has ever answered this to me
couldnt find anything at google
ML, whatever
ancom = com
cr
well, while they mostly have the same ideal world, they differ very much on the way to get there
while MLs believe the best way is to capture the state and transform the economy, ancoms believe the state has to go
trade will result in capital if you manage to get excess
how do you define capital?
in an ancom society
if a group started accumilating capital, would you stop them?
resources
etc
^ in catalonia they used to shoot people who exchanged goods
capital is not accumulation of resources
truly, a free society ;' )
@Sampuka i know they have the same goal but im saying the supposedly different method of achieving it is practically the same too
it is in a marxist view a social relation of production
yeah no matter how you define it, if you live in an ancom society and you accumulate resources and other people voluntarily come and help you (work for you), do you stop them?
who am I even to stop them? but also no
do people in ancom become part of a hivemind and so there's no need for someone to organize things?
cnt-fai controlled everything, but wasnt called a state for some reason
assuming you have the power to do that