Message from @ssk
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catalonia and makhno's ukraine were same as ussr only that they had a syndicate and a warlord ruling everything instead of a vanguard party
just peeping in
no legit question
nobody has ever answered this to me
couldnt find anything at google
the difference between ancom and "com"?
ML, whatever
ancom = com
cr
well, while they mostly have the same ideal world, they differ very much on the way to get there
while MLs believe the best way is to capture the state and transform the economy, ancoms believe the state has to go
trade will result in capital if you manage to get excess
how do you define capital?
in an ancom society
if a group started accumilating capital, would you stop them?
resources
etc
^ in catalonia they used to shoot people who exchanged goods
capital is not accumulation of resources
truly, a free society ;' )
@Sampuka i know they have the same goal but im saying the supposedly different method of achieving it is practically the same too
it is in a marxist view a social relation of production
yeah no matter how you define it, if you live in an ancom society and you accumulate resources and other people voluntarily come and help you (work for you), do you stop them?
who am I even to stop them? but also no
do people in ancom become part of a hivemind and so there's no need for someone to organize things?
cnt-fai controlled everything, but wasnt called a state for some reason
assuming you have the power to do that
a point socialists make is that it is in your material interests to not work for anyone
it isn't trade in the sense you're thinking of
when working for someone, whether the state or a private company, you HAVE to be paid less than what you labor
the economy won't go from one of non-class to class in this sense
it's mutual aid by which you produce and give in order to be able to take
like a guild-type situation
not bartering
>you HAVE to be paid less
Is that wrong in on itself?
nothing is "wrong", but it is against your material interests
it's a time preference thing, getting a part of your labor now instead of all of it later
employer invests money now to get his gains later
employee works now to get money now
but the employee could also work now to get all his labors worth now
well, he cant in our society but that's the point