Message from @Sampuka
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Your second point, that simply means you'll ban people from owning their own business, that's something a business man would object to because it's his idea and 100% his risk if he fucks up
So you're saying he'll go to a different country?]
It's not 100% his risk
Ye, and that other country would be successful
The people he employs also suffer from it.
It's basic self-determination lol.
less than if they were in the counsel and had their own stake in the company (what you want)
Timo, you realize worker's cooperatives are, by statistics, more productive than capitalist companies right?
If it's a better system, then you don't need the state to force it
That's the point, capitalism won't force communist like companies to be banned today
That's like saying we don't need a state to enforce laws on not murdering people lol
because they simply don't work as well
you need some regulatory means to abide by the law
in our current condition
Not murdering someone is vital to a stable state
means of production for every single person is not
Okay, what about assault? Or someone putting lead in food to make it last longer, but potentially lethal to humans like in some countries?
If the last thing happens the business would go out of business
He'll lose all his money
The fact that there will be a codified "Worker's have the right to the means of production" does not mean a socialist country can't be sustained.
can sustain but not thrive like a capitalism system
Alright.
So you're saying the capitalist won't like that?
won't like what?
the reason the lead-in-food company will go out of buisness is not a market mechanism, but because they'll be fined or worse
a socialist economy, and a socialist country?
Because I agree.
fined and sued by the people they harm
I consider that in my views.
yes, but that doesn't have much to do with capitalism
the people in charge of that socialist society would very much like that
yes it does, if someone damages you and they didn't say so at all you can sue them
A socialist system is independent of a capitalist one.
laws still exist in a capitalist system
yes, but sueing isn't a capitalist thing
that's just the way our states work
Yes it is
I'm not arguing ancap, even they have the nap
You can still sue people for doing you or your family harm
yes, but that happens under many systems