Message from @Sampuka

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2017-07-07 20:23:06 UTC  

idk, we just stop things, right?

2017-07-07 20:23:20 UTC  

well, you can stop them being capitalists by stop working

2017-07-07 20:23:25 UTC  

in other words general strikes

2017-07-07 20:23:31 UTC  

which was pretty popular

2017-07-07 20:23:38 UTC  

afaik

2017-07-07 20:23:58 UTC  

lets organize

2017-07-07 20:24:16 UTC  

there is not enough support to do much

2017-07-07 20:24:24 UTC  

fx general strikes cannot happen today

2017-07-07 20:24:29 UTC  

in the west

2017-07-07 20:25:26 UTC  

so what's the best strategy to stop capitalism

2017-07-07 20:25:39 UTC  

if people want it; revolution

2017-07-07 20:25:54 UTC  

how will we wake the people up

2017-07-07 20:26:04 UTC  

I don't say capitalism is bad at all. It's the way they practise it.

2017-07-07 20:26:06 UTC  

that is very hard

2017-07-07 20:26:18 UTC  

capitalism will always create inequalities

2017-07-07 20:26:20 UTC  

we have to stop it

2017-07-07 20:26:29 UTC  

And after you stopped it? What then?

2017-07-07 20:26:33 UTC  

but if Marx was right capitalism will become worse and worse and the class-struggle will become clearer and clearer

2017-07-07 20:26:55 UTC  

inequality is not a very good reason for revolution imo

2017-07-07 20:27:11 UTC  

so we wait for capitalism to get worse? that doesn't sound like a good idea

2017-07-07 20:27:14 UTC  

so in other works capitalism will wake people up

2017-07-07 20:27:15 UTC  

we've been waiting for a century

2017-07-07 20:27:26 UTC  

Yeah but which system instead?

2017-07-07 20:27:40 UTC  

socialism and then an ancom society

2017-07-07 20:27:51 UTC  

depends on what people get convinced by

2017-07-07 20:28:13 UTC  

in the 20th century it was mainly ML, but it might be something else next time

2017-07-07 20:28:53 UTC  

You have to reward successful human, thats just our being. If there isn't private property, they can't see a reason to continue working hard

2017-07-07 20:29:24 UTC  

you don't mean the same by "private property" as a socialist

2017-07-07 20:29:36 UTC  

also the argument is usually that it is the market that ensures incentive

2017-07-07 20:30:22 UTC  

we can force people to do work

2017-07-07 20:30:23 UTC  

easy

2017-07-07 20:30:27 UTC  

t. Stalin

2017-07-07 20:30:36 UTC  

what's wrong with stalin?

2017-07-07 20:30:41 UTC  

it was a bad time tbh

2017-07-07 20:30:46 UTC  

if we do it today we won't have those problems

2017-07-07 20:30:48 UTC  

a lot, but yeah it was a bad time

2017-07-07 20:30:58 UTC  

Well every system will fail sooner or later

2017-07-07 20:31:01 UTC  

There isnt the perfect

2017-07-07 20:31:05 UTC  

all systems were cruel at that period

2017-07-07 20:31:29 UTC  

it isn't perfect but it's by far the best, ancom

2017-07-07 20:31:29 UTC  

honestly capitslism wasn't that bad at that time because there were labor shortage