Message from @Deleted User
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Capitalism is meaningless without the competition for resources. You will be free to pursue the perfect of yourself and your goals.
You cannot be free to do anything other than your function
Your function? What is my function?
In the hypothetical commune
Who said anything about a commune?
And good question
Who do you even ask in a communist system?
I did. Communism implies there is a *commune*
Socialism prepares society to enter into a communist society.
So, especially in the early phases, you might be required to work certain jobs.
Socialism being a transition state only is bollocks
@Deleted User Though I have heard numerous times that socialism comes after communism.
Is it?
It defeats the purpose of socialism
At least in a practical sense
Whoever said socialism comes after communism is a retard.
Same as it defeats communism
>Socialism
>Practical
No no I meant making it to be simply the state between capitalism and communism
Pick one.
There might as well not be a word for that other than "chaos" if there's nothing behind socialism other than 'muh property'
Why is socialism as a bridge to communism, self-defeating
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It implies concessions that take away from the end goal and risk departure from it at all
You cannot have communism if there is a king, you cannot have communism if there is a consul
IMO socialism should not be a transition state. Nor should it be related to communism. It should instead be something entirely different but very much similar.
Capitalism must be dismantled on a global stage, first of all. This is no easy feat. But it is necessary in order to solves the contradictions between classes that cannot be imposed forever.
The community/the social ownership of production and its fruits should be the goal of a true socialist society
Of course.
Trotsky, marx, lenin, and stalin all failed at that.
Without the elimination of individual mandate, and without the elimination of property
However property may be relegated by the community
And it is more present than ever.
How do you even believe it is possible to do it with communism?
@Deleted User Can you STFU for a second?
Now that was rude.
@Deleted User I don't understand your criticism. Without addressing exploitation everywhere, outside of your own lands, then it will be a threat and invite the repressive forces of capitalism to return.
Who said others cannot be empowered by a socialist nation or people?
This is why Socialism is authoritarian. Because it requires the focus of the masses in the fight.
I am trying to understand why you think there is a problem with socialism as a means to an ends.
Well, it is not just that, it is a necessary stage.