Message from @Firefly

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2017-07-19 06:15:27 UTC  

I know. But Lenin had workable theory. Putting theory into practice is the fundamental measure of good politics.

2017-07-19 06:15:30 UTC  

@Firefly I've read Marx and I take a lot of influences from Marx but I don't agree with his internationalism

2017-07-19 06:15:48 UTC  

Internationalism?

2017-07-19 06:16:08 UTC  

@Dusseldorf#2806 There are national options too. Both national and International.

2017-07-19 06:16:13 UTC  

Is of combination.

2017-07-19 06:16:17 UTC  

@Deleted User He very well could have put it into practice had he been able to keep hitler out of power. With that said, Gaddafi's and Tito's systems were VERY simlar to Strasserism

2017-07-19 06:16:34 UTC  

They were pretty much Strasserism with Libyan and Yugo characteristics

2017-07-19 06:16:39 UTC  

Is very flexible combination.

2017-07-19 06:17:13 UTC  

History is the perfect measure of theory. Hypothetical and 'could haves' are the refuge of bad theoreticians.

2017-07-19 06:17:44 UTC  

For example, Hitler picked a fight he couldn't win. It reflects badly on his ideology.

2017-07-19 06:18:07 UTC  

Picking fights is inherent to the shortcomings of his ideas.

2017-07-19 06:18:08 UTC  

@Deleted User Well like I said, Tito kind of emulated it even if it wasn't called "Strasserism" and Gaddafi's system is practically a carbon copy of Strasserism

2017-07-19 06:18:56 UTC  

Not much you got from Marxism it seems.

2017-07-19 06:19:20 UTC  

Gaddafi existed because he appealed to the uses of America. That is a separate dynamic. If you want to be a professional lapdog, you will have limited success.

2017-07-19 06:19:36 UTC  

I agree with his ideas of class war, and his criticisms of capital, I also agree with the labor theory of value @Firefly

2017-07-19 06:20:08 UTC  

But what you lack it being able to put it into practice.

2017-07-19 06:20:08 UTC  

Did you read Kapital?

2017-07-19 06:20:13 UTC  

@Deleted User Bullshit, he got killed by the west because he was willing to stand up to them

2017-07-19 06:20:35 UTC  

@Firefly I've read the manifesto but not Kapital

2017-07-19 06:21:14 UTC  

@Revolutionary Nationalist The interests of America changed. And yes, he was killed because he only stood up to them in the end. In the other times, he was unknowingly supporting their interests.

2017-07-19 06:21:15 UTC  

Without capital you shall not agree on labor theory as you don't know it.

2017-07-19 06:21:20 UTC  

Is of complicated.

2017-07-19 06:21:25 UTC  

Only anti-imperialism matters.

2017-07-19 06:21:48 UTC  

@Deleted User So you disagree with him because he didn't stand up to them soon enough. lmao.

2017-07-19 06:22:15 UTC  

I don't understand. Of course a Marxist is supposed to fight against imperialism. And he didn't.

2017-07-19 06:22:31 UTC  

@Deleted User He absolutely did. Otherwise he wouldn't be dead.

2017-07-19 06:22:45 UTC  

So why didn't he die sooner?

2017-07-19 06:23:35 UTC  

Because he wasn't planning on removing Libya from the petro dollar before that. You're essentially engaging in a logical fallacy. It's like saying "why weren't you a socialist as a baby"

2017-07-19 06:24:27 UTC  

He also worked heavily with Tito when he was younger

2017-07-19 06:24:28 UTC  

Not really. You are saying that Gaddafi is a good example. Even though he wasn't for the longest time.

2017-07-19 06:24:40 UTC  

Not to mention, he also supported the Socialist IRA

2017-07-19 06:25:09 UTC  

A good example, not only has a long history of anti-imperialism, but also survives because they understand the practical application of theory.

2017-07-19 06:25:16 UTC  

Like Stalin.

2017-07-19 06:25:29 UTC  

What I'm describing is literally anti-imperialism

2017-07-19 06:26:14 UTC  

Where? Gaddafi only cares about Gaddafi.

2017-07-19 06:26:22 UTC  

Or 'Libya'.

2017-07-19 06:27:32 UTC  

He heavily increased literacy, housing and the overall living standards in Libya. He also had democracy on a local level.

2017-07-19 06:27:50 UTC  

I agree.

2017-07-19 06:27:57 UTC  

People literally lived longer in Libya than they did in the states

2017-07-19 06:28:05 UTC  

you can't say he didn't care about his people

2017-07-19 06:28:29 UTC  

I didn't. I said he didn't fight imperialism.