Message from @Timo)))
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Did I not just concede that?
don't get angry
argument against what?
"Thinking socialist uprisings were not stimulated by the soviet union is crazy though" - you just threw that out there as a non-sequitur
not something I ever denied
We both agree that they did it then
" The relationship between Communist China and Vietnam was
very close in the late 1950s and early 1960s.9 The close connection with
Hanoi, as well as Beijing's revolutionary ideology, would not allow the
Chinese to go so far as to become an obstacle to the Vietnamese cause
of revolution and reunification."
so far the article seems to be suggesting that unified ideology (i.e. forming an axis against US interests in Indo-China) was a more pertinent reason for Chinese involvement in Vietnam than fiscal gain rooted in a socialist praxis
The U.S would say they did the same in Chile and Korea
What's the difference in stopping the spread of U.S ideology or soviet ideology?
you're diverting off-topic now, but what socialist financial incentives overrode ideological solidarity in Chile & Korea?
the US was capitalist before China was communist
because, like I said, US ideology is rooted in international trade
And the socialist one spreads poverty and misery
a communist state, as history has shown us, can exist in a vacuum, at least to a certain extent
Face it, Korea and Chile are better off
Vietnam wasn't
The US demands that all non-capitalist nations be subordinated to global, financial capital
once more, not an argument
The original contention was whether this level of death would exist under capitalism than under communism
You just don't see it as something good, which the results simply do show
which you've not only failed to adequately prove, you've further confirmed by beliefs by giving me that source
Hold on a second
''The original contention was whether this level of death would exist under capitalism than under communism''
Wasn't what I said
I said that countries always have tried to spread their ideology and squash those who oppose it
Not only communism, any other system too
I'll have to read the rest of it, but so far the thought is communism has more of an incentive to intervene in other countries to form an axis against capitalist encroachment
To claim it's a capitalist thing is nonsense
right and the U.S thought the same about soviet influence
not a capitalism thing at all
"not a good idea when posting something as evidence of the big bad capitalism killing machine"
you've given me some pretty good evidence of that
Not at all
Give an argument
As to why it's exclusive to capitalism
Getting bored of repeating myself, but here we go:
"Industries have financial incentives to maintain capitalist spheres of trade throughout the world
e.g. the rubber trade having an incentive to open up African markets
e.g. the Congo
"to plant their military base etc"
What does this even mean? What non-Vietnamese communist military bases existed in Vietnam?
Why would communists have an incentive to put military bases there?"
No shit they don't have military bases in countries directly around them, the U.S doesn't do that either
your 'proof' that these conditions for intervention could equally exist "under any system" is entirely insufficient