Message from @DessertBeagle

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2017-08-22 05:13:18 UTC  

You mean like Afghanistan?

2017-08-22 05:13:27 UTC  

I mean like WWIII

2017-08-22 05:14:06 UTC  

Only way to win would be to genocide or nuke everyone from orbit, even then it wouldn't kill everyone.

2017-08-22 05:14:39 UTC  

You misunderstand me. My qustion is: would a non organised society

2017-08-22 05:14:43 UTC  

Armies come and go. Occupation is never forever.

2017-08-22 05:14:59 UTC  

Tell that to the Polish Jews

2017-08-22 05:15:12 UTC  

I'm not familiar with that example.

2017-08-22 05:15:22 UTC  

WWII Jews in Poland

2017-08-22 05:15:31 UTC  

most of em just died...

2017-08-22 05:15:36 UTC  

Are the Nazi's still occupiying Poland?

2017-08-22 05:15:48 UTC  

No, but the jews got almost exterminated

2017-08-22 05:16:10 UTC  

Was the resistance successful?

2017-08-22 05:16:16 UTC  

no

2017-08-22 05:16:44 UTC  

the ghetto uprising failed - no survivors

2017-08-22 05:16:52 UTC  

RIP

2017-08-22 05:16:53 UTC  

warsaw ghetto I should say

2017-08-22 05:17:17 UTC  

(The later Warsaw uprising didn't fear much better either to be fair)

2017-08-22 05:17:44 UTC  

That's one sub population though. We need to be specific about what we are talking about. What do you mean by the arbitrary 'non-organised society'? What do you have in mind?

2017-08-22 05:18:00 UTC  

No clue, you the anarchist

2017-08-22 05:18:23 UTC  

So, you're basing it on an impression. That's not a very honest characterisation.

2017-08-22 05:18:31 UTC  

that wasn't really a war. That was state genocide

2017-08-22 05:18:43 UTC  

conducted by the occupiers

2017-08-22 05:18:49 UTC  

@DessertBeagle Yeah, as a means of conducting warfare

2017-08-22 05:19:21 UTC  

it was not warfare

2017-08-22 05:19:23 UTC  

it was genocide

2017-08-22 05:19:24 UTC  

My idea of anarchism is not restricted to borders and subpopulations.

2017-08-22 05:19:54 UTC  

@Deleted User Ok, explain what kind of society, that could still be described as anarchistic, would ever be able to withstand a modern state's genocidal whim?

2017-08-22 05:19:59 UTC  

But I would understand how a nationalist could be habituated to always think in these terms.

2017-08-22 05:20:19 UTC  

@DessertBeagle I don't see how the two are necesairly incompatibe

2017-08-22 05:20:31 UTC  

@Deleted User (I'm not a nationalist)

2017-08-22 05:20:52 UTC  

@Deleted User (unless by nationalist you mean a non-anarchist)

2017-08-22 05:21:04 UTC  

I don't know. I don't live in a fantasy world. I think in terms of here and now. Anarchism is an action nowadays against power structures. I'm not sure how a modern state would genocide people who are embedded all around the world.

2017-08-22 05:21:11 UTC  

warfare in the western world has always been subject to unstated rules, and the goal is not necessarily the extermination of the 'enemy' population. Once you get into that territory, it's genocide.

2017-08-22 05:22:27 UTC  

@Apollo'sJest Apologies, what is your politics?

2017-08-22 05:24:20 UTC  

@DessertBeagle Ok, but the entire point of Hitler's version of (eastern) warfare was germanisation or repalcement of the local population. That was the entire policy - that's why operation Barbarossa included entire divisions of mass executioners following the tank offenssive. To murder the locals. The German government did not want the population that it saw as a hasse, it wanted the land.

2017-08-22 05:25:28 UTC  

your point being?

2017-08-22 05:25:30 UTC  

@Deleted User I'm a bit of a wirdo... The short version is: republican (in the classical, non US sense) that most other contemporary repblicans would call a monarchist.

2017-08-22 05:25:45 UTC  

@DessertBeagle My point being genocide was part of the military strategy

2017-08-22 05:26:39 UTC  

they drove people off their land through terrorism and violence. They weren't trying to murder all Poles as you stated, simply to take their territory. That is known these days as 'ethnic cleansing'

2017-08-22 05:27:08 UTC  

which is seperate from genocide, as practiced against the Jews, where the goal is the mass execution of an entire group

2017-08-22 05:27:26 UTC  

although admittedly the lines can be blurry