Well, they had some cultural values, but they are not uniform.

I'd say the Greeks started it.

Studies on higher apes shows this is already present in their species to a certain extent

But not in clear continuation.

It's way older than homo sapiens

Yeah, it's way older.

As is hunger.

Even though the way we feel hunger has evolved over time.

There are many time since Greek idealism and now which were not ethical. Even 100 years ago there was hardly 'ethics'.

I think you're conflating ethics with social norms just a tad.

Well, define ethics.

It's just a social norm in my view.

Being nice n sheeit?

Not hurting others.

Caring for other people.

So where has humanity done that?

Fucking never.

All the time. But there are always the amoral and the immoral.

Always predators among us.

Predators and parasites.

I'm afraid it's not the exception.

@discordian#3213 You should note, that humanity has been sentient for (Roughly) 50K years.

But what I mean is that a bundle of pre-wired responses that evolved to allow small packs of humans to better survive together, while useful, can't be held as some sort of supreme ethics all humans have to bow down to

Yeah, depending how you define sentient it could go back much further.

I am speaking about homosapiens, the ones that roam the earth now.

Even australopithecines were capable of at least rudimentary morality though.

So it's been with us as long as we were Homo sapiens, wherever exactly that line is drawn.

Million of years.

>capable of at least rudimentary morality though
>ethics
Fuck off with your 'ought to' shit

That is really pushing it however, since apes in todays age are capable of using stick and stone tools.

And do apes have sentience?

It's arguable.

Evolution's a slow thing.

Very step by step.

(Though most likely less efficently and practically than the pre human apes)

@Deleted User Fuck off with your there is no morality shit.

Yeah exactly.

What if due to environmental circumstances, the best way for humanity to survive was brutal gang rapes (ala dolphins) and our pre-wired brains evolved to make it into genetic memory? According to people that rely on "gut feeling" that would become something completely normal

Yes it would.

We can't trust gut feeling for a good ethical philosophy

@discordian#3213 Morality is just a modern invention. Like I keep saying. You're just using the idea retroactively.