Message from @Deleted User
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with ancom tendencies
"Leftcom"
Nuke the muke
But when you remove all power from authority and force them to please everybody unless it shudders and falls apart, then you cannot expect anybody to follow any rules, that is unless people start enforcing laws and policies.
You cannot expect people to just take up arms and magically fight for the same side just because there is authority.
@Deleted User Are you saying that the only reason people are nice to each other is through coercion from the government?
@Wilhelm Zaisser#5032 No, but because the governments enforce laws and policies, it keeps people from preforming some pretty nasty and most likley dead stuff.
@Deleted User But currently the government (state) has a monopoly on violence. It's not as if people wouldn't take their own precautions if they were allowed to.
Governments don't enforce laws, the judiciary does.
Seperation of powers.
@Wilhelm Zaisser#5032 And that is not to say that communities would not usurp the monopoly on violence?
@Deleted User Communities trend towards stability, similar to how societies functioned before modern governments.
Societies were extremely violent before modern governments, are you saying that feudalism was less violent and more harmonious?
Not sure what you mean with 'extremely violent'. Stable societies cannot be extremely violent. Believe it or not, people don't like being raped and murdered.
>Believing societies before now were way violent
There was always violence in past societies, don't tell me that any society was less violent than society is now, because they were always more violent.
That's hilarious and very vague.
Even before civilization was developed, humans were much more violent.
How in any way was society more violent now?
What are you even comparing it to? Also it seems like violence may be apart of how a society is stabilised.
How so?
Suppose combat sports is a way to sublimate aggression and turn violent instincts intoa controlled environment. That could be a net gain for stability.
@Wilhelm Zaisser#5032 >Greek society
>Doubt is casted over their lack of wars
>We have not even translated their language
Or suppose that there is a degree of natural selection and some violence adds to it.
And what are you even comparing it to. What is the golden example of peace in today's world, and if it is a first world country, what about the rest of the world upon which the first world is rested upon?
And an island that only 330K people live on and was not lived on by humans until the vikings made a small settlement on it.
That does not seem skewed at all.
What do you mean skewed?
There is very few people on it, not to mention that humans did not even live there until another society colonized it, the low numbers skew the crime rates due to it being much, much easier to get a control over and to treat, this does not go with other countries due to their large population being extremely difficult to control, and the costs plus the resources are difficult to handle as well.
So it's exceptional compared to what? What is the golden example you have in mind?
Where the government leads to greatest peace.
There is no golden example.
So on what basis are you saying that government leads to greatest peace?
What I meant, is that with modern governments, there is much more peace than there would be in the past.
I don't even know how to reply to that without examples.
Would you prefer to live in a feudal society or a neolithic tribe?
socialism doesnt work
look at venezuela
Hmmm, I could imagine a state of mind where I would prefer it. I'm not a reactionary though, it's hard for me to project myself into the past and want to return to it. I just accept the present.