So woke

you actually discovered the meaning behind my nickname

i am impressed my old friend

Did God roast you by making you?

If God willed it, he would be incinerated, with or without the presence of fire.

no, with the symbolism that's being used by rumi, enlightenment is essentially a stage where you are burning with merging into the 'one'

i mean

if that makes any sense

>symbolism

yea

that makes sense

i don't think your flesh will be on fire while doing that, my old friend

No, but Ghazali was not talking about enlightenment.

i know, rumi was

and that notion of cotton was an important aspect in ghazali's philosophy

so you can combine them

From Rumi's perspective, you can.

that makes the symbolism more relevant since rumi was born later than ghazali

More recent may not be more relevant. Also, forgive me, but it is easier to re-purpose someone's work once he cannot defend himself. I am not sure was Ghazali would have thought of this.

i totally agree but i was talking about how it is relevant to me and the intent of making my nickname, since that's subjectively about how i interpret the philosophies of each of two

sometimes the urge of connecting the works of thinkers with interpreting them in a way that was totally unintended by those thinkers comes so strong

when you spend so much time thinking on their ideas, you know

Oh, that's fair. Now I know, huh. I really like Ghazali so far.

i'm proud if i had a piece of influence towards your interest in muslim philosophers with that conversation we had a while ago

they truly are groundbreaking, especially when you're so used to western philo with being exposed to them all the time

Aristotle was a mistake.

huh, tell me about it

though he has a special role in human 'mentality' timeline with inducing a way of thinking, especially about science and morals

I suppose it is what it is. But there is a tension between religion and Aristotle which had to be resolved. It is foolish to pretend that Aristotle was only wrong in areas which do not effect philosophy of religion.

This was not fully understood and resolved in the West until Kant, which is relatively recent by comparison.

i don't think anyone would care or we would talk about it right now if he hasn't had such a big influence in the world for a long time, and with influence i mean literally dogmas, so like that's not entirely his fault in my opinion

That's true. There was just a conceptual vacuum at the time which the Hellenistic world filled.

and as much as wrong he was, as i said, he is the one that came up with some new ideas that made humankind realize the concept of 'thinking' about those possible

yeah

but it is truly a shame that nicomachean ethics influenced the christian mentality so much, which got to be dominant in the world later on

In the end, all philosophy is there to help us to try and think about God and other things. It is dangerous to get too involved in philosophy from a religious standpoint which may outweigh what is written in religious books like the Bible or Quran.

This is also a problem in the Church. Fashionable philosophy at each time shape the future rulings of the whole faith.

isn't that what basically happened to you? too much philosophy and the concept of critical thinking made you a heretic at the end hahaha?

Catholics, the largest denomination, are still entrenched in scholasticism and logic, which is perilous and for me was a big source of terror.

Yes.

i totally agree