Message from @olev
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its just the fact that it would be inherently more chaotic because people would have no work and no purpose
Marx proposed labor vouchers. Non-transferable, tied to the amount of time you worked (job dependent I believe), and directly tied to you.
but how would you work
if the machines did everything
Yes, as scarcity became irrelevant
That's what they had in catalonia
And some other factors, I haven't read Gotha Programme yet.
But some places got rid of money altogether
That's the difference between anarcho-collectivism and anarcho-communism
im saying in a society where the concept of working is completely demolished by the fact machines can do everything a human can
the former supports having labor vouchers until there is no need for money
in that scenario capitalism cant exist, there would be chaos, and several other bullshit
in the part where it is like now (machines make things easier) then that still is based on reality
Yeah I agree, capitalism ends when automation progresses into not needing people anymore.
That's when socialism is the answer.
but then a machine would have to handle it
We could have automation
because people would just start killing each other for more shit than someone else
what would be their purpose by definition if they couldnt work so it would cause many problems
Not in a communist society.
Why would people kill eachother for shit when goods are produced without currency on the basis of need?
because if theyre not working
they have everything already
then the only thing that can come to mind is 'well i need some way of having currency so ill just have more shit than the other guy'
this is how currency is shown in america, by having more expensive shit, rather than having money
at least the rich man's way of showing who has more money without giving a number
I get what you mean.
Capitalism produces capitalist morals and attitudes though.
capitalism produces capitalist society which is a basis of success and makes up the rich types of 'the 1%'
consumerism is the destruction caused by the result of over saturation of production
capitalism or socialism the source isnt relevant
I was responding directly toward your claim that people would kill others for "nice stuff"
i would say 'more stuff' if everything is equal, then it would be the quantity
Labor vouchers.
would still require work
in normal society the only thing that works in a culturally diverse society is capitalism
because of the fact that the lower class incompatible with the standards of the culture the society is based upon will take advantage of socialistic benefits