Message from @Seedle
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yea that would work the same
our current state of automation still requires people to work
the machines just wont handle things correctly if they dont have ppl working
Wrong. Automation would still be communist. It just wouldn't be people in the factories.
I don't mean automation as in "machines make some of the decisions"
I mean automated production.
ye then thats the same situation
someones still gotta flip the switches
and whoever does that is whoever can control the production
if it requires effort, then ppl will just choose 'not to do it'
if it doesnt require effort, people will just choose to 'take more for themselves'
plus as the other guy said someone will probably just start killing people out of boredom
The point of production will be use though.
You're not producing for the sake of possibly selling some of the products like in capitalism.
It's hard to talk about because detailing exactly how a socialist society will organize itself is like predicting the future.
but at a point of the second definition i put then it would have to be socialistic economy with no choice
because capitalism wont work in a society where there is no way to make money
its just the fact that it would be inherently more chaotic because people would have no work and no purpose
Marx proposed labor vouchers. Non-transferable, tied to the amount of time you worked (job dependent I believe), and directly tied to you.
but how would you work
if the machines did everything
Yes, as scarcity became irrelevant
That's what they had in catalonia
And some other factors, I haven't read Gotha Programme yet.
But some places got rid of money altogether
That's the difference between anarcho-collectivism and anarcho-communism
im saying in a society where the concept of working is completely demolished by the fact machines can do everything a human can
the former supports having labor vouchers until there is no need for money
in that scenario capitalism cant exist, there would be chaos, and several other bullshit
in the part where it is like now (machines make things easier) then that still is based on reality
Yeah I agree, capitalism ends when automation progresses into not needing people anymore.
That's when socialism is the answer.
but then a machine would have to handle it
We could have automation
because people would just start killing each other for more shit than someone else
Like, right now
what would be their purpose by definition if they couldnt work so it would cause many problems