if it doesnt require effort, people will just choose to 'take more for themselves'

plus as the other guy said someone will probably just start killing people out of boredom

The point of production will be use though.

You're not producing for the sake of possibly selling some of the products like in capitalism.

It's hard to talk about because detailing exactly how a socialist society will organize itself is like predicting the future.

but at a point of the second definition i put then it would have to be socialistic economy with no choice

because capitalism wont work in a society where there is no way to make money

its just the fact that it would be inherently more chaotic because people would have no work and no purpose

Marx proposed labor vouchers. Non-transferable, tied to the amount of time you worked (job dependent I believe), and directly tied to you.

but how would you work

if the machines did everything

But weren't those eventually to disappear? @Seedle

Yes, as scarcity became irrelevant

That's what they had in catalonia

And some other factors, I haven't read Gotha Programme yet.

But some places got rid of money altogether

@styles You could be any number of things.

That's the difference between anarcho-collectivism and anarcho-communism

im saying in a society where the concept of working is completely demolished by the fact machines can do everything a human can

the former supports having labor vouchers until there is no need for money

in that scenario capitalism cant exist, there would be chaos, and several other bullshit

in the part where it is like now (machines make things easier) then that still is based on reality

Yeah I agree, capitalism ends when automation progresses into not needing people anymore.

That's when socialism is the answer.

but then a machine would have to handle it

We could have automation

because people would just start killing each other for more shit than someone else

Like, right now

what would be their purpose by definition if they couldnt work so it would cause many problems

Not in a communist society.

Why would people kill eachother for shit when goods are produced without currency on the basis of need?

because if theyre not working

they have everything already

then the only thing that can come to mind is 'well i need some way of having currency so ill just have more shit than the other guy'

this is how currency is shown in america, by having more expensive shit, rather than having money

at least the rich man's way of showing who has more money without giving a number

I get what you mean.

Capitalism produces capitalist morals and attitudes though.

capitalism produces capitalist society which is a basis of success and makes up the rich types of 'the 1%'

consumerism is the destruction caused by the result of over saturation of production

capitalism or socialism the source isnt relevant