Message from @cornhub

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2017-11-06 13:51:49 UTC  

assumtion of value

2017-11-06 13:51:59 UTC  

survival mechanism basically

2017-11-06 13:52:00 UTC  
2017-11-06 13:52:09 UTC  

I will read what you posted

2017-11-06 13:53:02 UTC  

Dna doesn't dictate what human tendencies are @Deleted User

2017-11-06 13:53:45 UTC  

Competition for survival =/= competition to amass wealth

2017-11-06 13:54:17 UTC  

wealth=survival

2017-11-06 13:54:29 UTC  

The second source you posted still doesn't actually explain anything about human nature being static

2017-11-06 13:54:41 UTC  

Capital accumulation is not the same as surviving

2017-11-06 13:55:07 UTC  

saving money for your children?

2017-11-06 13:55:25 UTC  

Regardless, you have to be pretty retarded to think you can "disprove" communism by saying "muh human nature"

2017-11-06 13:55:42 UTC  

fair enough, but working to reach survival introduces the person to concepts of gaining wealth

2017-11-06 13:55:52 UTC  

Apparently Marx and Engels, all communist intellectuals and revolutions never thought about human nature

2017-11-06 13:56:05 UTC  

fucking debunked dude

2017-11-06 13:56:08 UTC  

all these books

2017-11-06 13:56:09 UTC  

debunked

2017-11-06 13:56:41 UTC  

"To look at people in capitalist society and conclude that human nature is egoism, is like looking at people in a factory where pollution is destroying their lungs and saying that it is human nature to cough."

2017-11-06 13:57:52 UTC  

Apparently the world goes round because disbanding morality for self-interest is human nature

2017-11-06 13:58:23 UTC  

It is human nature to survive, to eat, to breathe, to socialize, ect.

2017-11-06 13:58:36 UTC  

Amassing wealth is a complex behavior

2017-11-06 13:59:58 UTC  

but it's a learned behavior

2017-11-06 14:00:17 UTC  

Keep in mind that in communism, the work needed is reduced

2017-11-06 14:00:26 UTC  

Because of advanced automation of productive forces

2017-11-06 14:00:28 UTC  

There's a bunch of people who make just enough money to "survive" and don't get ambitious beyond that

2017-11-06 14:00:44 UTC  

Sometimes yes

2017-11-06 14:00:47 UTC  

Amassing a shit ton of money is not everyone's end goal

2017-11-06 14:01:03 UTC  

be a good communist party members

2017-11-06 14:01:25 UTC  

be a good slave

2017-11-06 14:01:26 UTC  

Most arguments against communism are pretty retarded

2017-11-06 14:01:30 UTC  

They're just regurgitated

2017-11-06 14:01:37 UTC  

and are really short thought

2017-11-06 14:01:39 UTC  

as I said

2017-11-06 14:01:59 UTC  

you can't seriously think human nature debunks all of Marx's work, along with later Communist figureheads

2017-11-06 14:02:15 UTC  

>go back in time

2017-11-06 14:02:25 UTC  

>tell marx that communism doesnt work because muh human nature

2017-11-06 14:02:35 UTC  

>he never writes so communism never exists

2017-11-06 14:02:54 UTC  

how to prevent communism from ever happening

2017-11-06 14:02:55 UTC  

but china type of communism work very well

2017-11-06 14:03:05 UTC  

China became revisionist a long time ago

2017-11-06 14:04:11 UTC  

You can't effectively have socialism in an undeveloped country.

2017-11-06 14:04:57 UTC  

"Soviet America will not have to imitate our bureaucratic methods. Among us the lack of the bare necessities has caused an intense scramble for an extra loaf of bread, an extra yard of cloth by everyone. In this struggle our bureaucracy steps forward as a conciliator, as an all-powerful court of arbitration. You, on the other hand, are much wealthier and would have little difficulty in supplying all of your people with all of the necessities of life. Moreover, your needs, tastes and habits would never permit your bureaucracy to divide the national income. Instead, when you organize your society to produce for human needs rather than private profits, your entire population will group itself around new trends and groups, which will struggle with one another and prevent an overweening bureaucracy from imposing itself upon them." -Leon Trotsky, *If America Should Go Communist*