Message from @Brickiest Brick

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2017-12-05 11:22:29 UTC  

the USSR did great things but I think they could have done it in a better way with more power in the hands of the workers and common people and less political repression

2017-12-05 11:22:33 UTC  

That should clear up many misconceptions.

2017-12-05 11:22:46 UTC  

also the idea of an one party system is in my mind rather undemocratic

2017-12-05 11:22:58 UTC  

democracy and communism cant mix my friend

2017-12-05 11:23:02 UTC  

you have to choose one

2017-12-05 11:23:11 UTC  

I think you can

2017-12-05 11:23:17 UTC  

false

2017-12-05 11:23:22 UTC  

they are incompatible

2017-12-05 11:23:28 UTC  

learn more about communism and you'll learn that

2017-12-05 11:23:36 UTC  

I am not sure about communism but you can have socialism and democracy

2017-12-05 11:23:44 UTC  

you can't have socialism either

2017-12-05 11:23:49 UTC  

learn more about socialism for that one

2017-12-05 11:24:05 UTC  

what you can have is the false socialism called "democratic socialism"

2017-12-05 11:24:09 UTC  

Communism is simply the stage of socioeconomic development that follows after socialism.

2017-12-05 11:24:13 UTC  

which is not real socialism, just social democracy

2017-12-05 11:24:18 UTC  

Socialism is inherently democratic.

2017-12-05 11:24:24 UTC  

if you can briefly break down why the ideas are incompatible?

2017-12-05 11:24:31 UTC  

well technically yes it is in the early stages

2017-12-05 11:24:37 UTC  

it is the transition period

2017-12-05 11:24:43 UTC  

Correct

2017-12-05 11:25:04 UTC  

well the ideas are incompatible because communism advocates for a one-party state

2017-12-05 11:25:10 UTC  

essentially that is the quick answer

2017-12-05 11:25:37 UTC  

I am not sure if I am down with marx and his idea of a one party state and no markets and a total command economy

2017-12-05 11:26:12 UTC  

I thing democracy within the state and democracy within the workplace makes sure people get their needs met

2017-12-05 11:26:36 UTC  

I am no expert on leftist ideology but those ideas seem not that great imo

2017-12-05 11:26:44 UTC  

Communism advocates for NO state. Communism entails the non-existence of states, classes, and the monetary-system. Social stratification simply cannot exist within communism.

2017-12-05 11:26:57 UTC  

well that's just it: it's impossible

2017-12-05 11:27:02 UTC  

real communism has never been achieved

2017-12-05 11:27:04 UTC  

and it never will be

2017-12-05 11:27:09 UTC  

because it is not possible

2017-12-05 11:27:18 UTC  

trotskites irl

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2017-12-05 11:27:19 UTC  

stalinists irl

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2017-12-05 11:27:32 UTC  

I am not sure how you get to a classless stateless society

2017-12-05 11:27:44 UTC  

thats it, you cant

2017-12-05 11:27:54 UTC  

>makhnovia

2017-12-05 11:27:55 UTC  

Primitive Communism has existed in numerous cultures throughout history, but full-communism has never existed. It will though, in my opinion.

2017-12-05 11:28:17 UTC  

if it never did in the past when it was attempted, what makes you think it is actually possible

2017-12-05 11:28:23 UTC  

why is communism better than socialism in your opinion?

2017-12-05 11:28:28 UTC  

logically it fucks itself over

2017-12-05 11:28:31 UTC  

also how do we get there?

2017-12-05 11:28:44 UTC  

@quiscalus Socialism will bring about wide-reaching changes in the sphere of social and economic development.