Message from @quiscalus

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2017-12-05 11:27:55 UTC  

Primitive Communism has existed in numerous cultures throughout history, but full-communism has never existed. It will though, in my opinion.

2017-12-05 11:28:17 UTC  

if it never did in the past when it was attempted, what makes you think it is actually possible

2017-12-05 11:28:23 UTC  

why is communism better than socialism in your opinion?

2017-12-05 11:28:28 UTC  

logically it fucks itself over

2017-12-05 11:28:31 UTC  

also how do we get there?

2017-12-05 11:28:44 UTC  

@quiscalus Socialism will bring about wide-reaching changes in the sphere of social and economic development.

2017-12-05 11:28:54 UTC  

you need to understand what socialism is first

2017-12-05 11:29:04 UTC  

it's not a standalone ideology like politicians say

2017-12-05 11:29:10 UTC  

Socialism leads to communism. It is merely a transitional stage.

2017-12-05 11:29:13 UTC  

it's the transition from capitalism to communism

2017-12-05 11:29:14 UTC  

yes

2017-12-05 11:29:27 UTC  

many people have this notion where socialism is somehow its own thing

2017-12-05 11:29:29 UTC  

it's not

2017-12-05 11:29:33 UTC  

just because a system fails doesn't mean it is impossible, capitalism failed in the past and people reverted to feudalism or older methods of society

2017-12-05 11:29:33 UTC  

and it cant be

2017-12-05 11:29:54 UTC  

capitalist societies have failed, this is true

2017-12-05 11:30:12 UTC  

however many crises can be avoided

2017-12-05 11:30:29 UTC  

via deregulation and lower taxes, as well as the federal reserve controlling interest rates

2017-12-05 11:30:40 UTC  

among other factors

2017-12-05 11:30:46 UTC  

we learn from the past

2017-12-05 11:31:26 UTC  

I just feel capitalist societies have largely led to large concentration of power and wealth in society and led to masses deprived of material needs and political power

2017-12-05 11:31:28 UTC  

I will agree with you that the Fed is a major problem.

2017-12-05 11:31:51 UTC  

the federal reserve is the cause of the 2007 crisis

2017-12-05 11:32:07 UTC  

bullshit with the "deregulation was the problem"

2017-12-05 11:32:19 UTC  

the fed and its meddling with interest rates

2017-12-05 11:32:27 UTC  

isn't it banks and other financial institutions gambling with the world economy and peoples investments

2017-12-05 11:32:30 UTC  

is the cause of much of society's problems

2017-12-05 11:32:34 UTC  

?

2017-12-05 11:32:37 UTC  

well thats a part of it

2017-12-05 11:32:50 UTC  

most of the time, it's the governments who give the banks that power

2017-12-05 11:33:01 UTC  

by giving them bailouts and lower interest rates

2017-12-05 11:33:11 UTC  

bailouts for banks is a huge mistake

2017-12-05 11:33:19 UTC  

just a product of corruption

2017-12-05 11:33:49 UTC  

The "Great Recession" was a result of deregulation in the financial industry which resulted in banks engaging in hedge-fund trading with derivatives.

2017-12-05 11:33:53 UTC  

I think one of the issues is that democracy gets subverted because industry has has money to influence the law to give them a leg up often to the detriment of the people

2017-12-05 11:34:31 UTC  

no, it was a direct result of the federal reserve lowering interest rates to stimulate the housing market

2017-12-05 11:34:39 UTC  

this subsequently caused a bubble to form

2017-12-05 11:34:47 UTC  

the housing bubble popped, causing the recession

2017-12-05 11:34:57 UTC  

it didnt help that the government is always bailing out the banks

2017-12-05 11:35:13 UTC  

let them fail and start over for a more stable recovery

2017-12-05 11:36:35 UTC  

I am not sure if I agree totally with austrian perspective that low interests rates lead to poor use of capital because government manipulation but I think there is a reasonable argument that fucked up priced signals effects how soundly people use capital