Message from @Borzo

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2019-06-25 11:00:08 UTC  

Getting other people to work for you

2019-06-25 11:00:46 UTC  

No one carries your load in capitalism

2019-06-25 11:00:54 UTC  

you have to engineer everything yourself

2019-06-25 11:01:13 UTC  

capitalism is not having other carry your load, it is expoiting others

2019-06-25 11:01:34 UTC  

Lmao what

2019-06-25 11:01:37 UTC  

in communism whith no class you have other more productive workers carry your load

2019-06-25 11:01:54 UTC  

Making others work for you while you don't work at all is pure capitalism

2019-06-25 11:01:56 UTC  

this is so calming to some incels

2019-06-25 11:02:57 UTC  

it is expoitation, as it goes beyond just carrying a load

2019-06-25 11:03:03 UTC  

nuance

2019-06-25 11:03:11 UTC  

Which is worse

2019-06-25 11:03:17 UTC  

jesus fuck

2019-06-25 11:03:27 UTC  

did i say it wasnt

2019-06-25 11:03:55 UTC  

And so how do you get people to carry your load for you in communism?

2019-06-25 11:04:23 UTC  

im pointing out the nuance, you think that capitalism is carrying some one elses load, it isnt as it isnt just the load tyou are carrying, its is more then just the load that is gained by the one who exploits

2019-06-25 11:04:34 UTC  

the exploiter gets more then just a load

2019-06-25 11:04:46 UTC  

so what you said is wrong, as it lacks that nuance

2019-06-25 11:05:02 UTC  

The exploiter gains your whole load, but gives you a slither back as a wage

2019-06-25 11:05:30 UTC  

"nd so how do you get people to carry your load for you in communism?" by being a unproductive worker, you still get all the benifits but some one else is working harder

2019-06-25 11:05:38 UTC  

how ever what you get is only " a load "

2019-06-25 11:05:46 UTC  

No work, no food

2019-06-25 11:05:50 UTC  

No benefits

2019-06-25 11:05:53 UTC  

No luxuries

2019-06-25 11:05:58 UTC  

Simple as that

2019-06-25 11:06:09 UTC  

Only the "no food" thing in extreme circumstances

2019-06-25 11:06:20 UTC  

do you get that the load is means of existance, beyond the load which is the expoitation part is luxeries

2019-06-25 11:06:23 UTC  

But otherwise just no benefits

2019-06-25 11:06:36 UTC  

hypotecical question as you dont get it

2019-06-25 11:07:17 UTC  

communism you get means of existance, exploitation by capitalism results in some one getting more then just the "load"

2019-06-25 11:08:27 UTC  

In a communist system you could have some one else carry your load, and this happens as there is class differnce in ppl

2019-06-25 14:34:42 UTC  

```we just need eugenics and racial seperation and even class seperation, considering not every "worker" produces the same```

2019-06-25 14:35:47 UTC  

That would itself require some kind of racial cooperation. If communities do not want to mix with each other, that's up to them. Ultimately the focus *must* be upon the supremacy of *no* race.

2019-06-25 14:36:11 UTC  

This requires the establishment of a political commons between those of different backgrounds.

2019-06-25 14:37:19 UTC  

On 'class separation', I take it that you mean that workers of different 'collars' must be separated, but again, that requires a sort of commons.

2019-06-25 14:37:57 UTC  

Any segregation *must* be transitional, since Communists demand the democratisation of all.

2019-06-25 14:39:43 UTC  

We seek to build a world where what we do is not dictated by markets or anything else which, as an organising force, is at least partially reliant on our unconscious actions.

2019-06-25 14:40:22 UTC  

There is absolutely nothing that unites workers besides their inclusion in the social order, as it happens.

2019-06-25 14:42:21 UTC  

What you're proposing is more of the same bullshit fucking identity politics which has plagued Communism, while Communists seek to use this commons of having little or no control over the social order despite being dependent on wage labour.

2019-06-25 14:43:44 UTC  

```You dont know what morality means right. If you do something you dont want done to yourself you are breaking morality. There is no grey zone, If you think there is current order bs, something is moral or it is not```

2019-06-25 14:47:04 UTC  

What morality? Whose morality? Why do you bring up 'the golden rule'? I am a different person to others, so me doing something to someone else and me doing something - which for all I could possibly care, is the same thing - to another person will not necessarily result in the same consequences, and it won't benefit or hurt them in the same ways as it would with me.

2019-06-25 14:48:11 UTC  

And that's assuming that I can do *exactly the same thing* to someone else that I could do to myself. My actions might be very comparable, but they're not the same.