Message from @Borzo
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Getting other people to work for you
No one carries your load in capitalism
you have to engineer everything yourself
capitalism is not having other carry your load, it is expoiting others
Lmao what
in communism whith no class you have other more productive workers carry your load
Making others work for you while you don't work at all is pure capitalism
this is so calming to some incels
it is expoitation, as it goes beyond just carrying a load
nuance
Which is worse
jesus fuck
did i say it wasnt
And so how do you get people to carry your load for you in communism?
im pointing out the nuance, you think that capitalism is carrying some one elses load, it isnt as it isnt just the load tyou are carrying, its is more then just the load that is gained by the one who exploits
the exploiter gets more then just a load
so what you said is wrong, as it lacks that nuance
The exploiter gains your whole load, but gives you a slither back as a wage
"nd so how do you get people to carry your load for you in communism?" by being a unproductive worker, you still get all the benifits but some one else is working harder
how ever what you get is only " a load "
No benefits
No luxuries
Simple as that
Only the "no food" thing in extreme circumstances
do you get that the load is means of existance, beyond the load which is the expoitation part is luxeries
But otherwise just no benefits
hypotecical question as you dont get it
communism you get means of existance, exploitation by capitalism results in some one getting more then just the "load"
In a communist system you could have some one else carry your load, and this happens as there is class differnce in ppl
```we just need eugenics and racial seperation and even class seperation, considering not every "worker" produces the same```
That would itself require some kind of racial cooperation. If communities do not want to mix with each other, that's up to them. Ultimately the focus *must* be upon the supremacy of *no* race.
This requires the establishment of a political commons between those of different backgrounds.
On 'class separation', I take it that you mean that workers of different 'collars' must be separated, but again, that requires a sort of commons.
Any segregation *must* be transitional, since Communists demand the democratisation of all.
We seek to build a world where what we do is not dictated by markets or anything else which, as an organising force, is at least partially reliant on our unconscious actions.
There is absolutely nothing that unites workers besides their inclusion in the social order, as it happens.
What you're proposing is more of the same bullshit fucking identity politics which has plagued Communism, while Communists seek to use this commons of having little or no control over the social order despite being dependent on wage labour.
```You dont know what morality means right. If you do something you dont want done to yourself you are breaking morality. There is no grey zone, If you think there is current order bs, something is moral or it is not```
What morality? Whose morality? Why do you bring up 'the golden rule'? I am a different person to others, so me doing something to someone else and me doing something - which for all I could possibly care, is the same thing - to another person will not necessarily result in the same consequences, and it won't benefit or hurt them in the same ways as it would with me.
And that's assuming that I can do *exactly the same thing* to someone else that I could do to myself. My actions might be very comparable, but they're not the same.