Message from @Garbage
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equal but not the same
"The term state refers to a form of polity, that is typically characterised as a centralized organisation. There is no single, undisputed, definition of what constitutes a state.[1][2] **A widely-used definition is a state being a polity that, within a given territory, __maintains a monopoly on the use of force__, but many other widely used definitions exist.**[3][4]"
'equal but not the same'
thats it right
How can something formally be equal and not the same as something else other than being another iteration of something within a category?
One apple is equal to another apple of exactly the same sort, but they're not the same apple...
...which means that you think that the only distinction between the two **is that they're just somehow not the same object**.
how is this relating to anything at al
But functionally, they would be doing the same thing, by your argumentation?
like you are copy pasting the wiki that simply confirms with what i say
It didn't talk about centralisation.
its like you agree with me on substance but you have to disagree with me
'monopoly on the use of force' is not centralisation.
state is centralising hings
>he hasn't heard of federalism
inb4 not truly decentralised
it isnt
inb4 >no, there is still some centralisation
But this dodges the point entirely. I'm saying that centralisation is *irrelevant* as far as the definition that I've plucked from that article gives a shit.
wtf are you evven talking about
Keep up.
i said a state is not a goevernment perssee and you come with this shit to defend your claim that it is a lie
its a truth
a state is not a government persee
and you say that this is a lie
and you support this with a lot of sidetracking
>state is not a government
That's literally what I was saying the whole time.
Initially I accused you of saying that they are the same.
Now I'm saying that despite your efforts to say that they're not, you are thinking of both in the same terms.
...with only 'centralisation' being the main discriminating factor.
But even *this*:
```The most commonly used definition is Max Weber's,[11][12][13][14][15] which describes the state as a compulsory political organization with a centralized government that maintains a monopoly of the legitimate use of force within a certain territory.[3][4] General categories of state institutions include administrative bureaucracies, legal systems, and military or religious organizations.[16]```
...doesn't mention centralisation as the *only* determining factor.
Sorry to butt in this cringe festival but You guys know you can scroll up and see who's lying right?
You missed something.