but agreed to disagree 😄

Nope. I'm saying that centralisation is not equivalent to force.

its funny how you are saying the same thing but slander and ad hominem me for the same stance

You forgot what != means again, didn't you...?

and this isnt theionly subject you do this on

equal but not the same

"The term state refers to a form of polity, that is typically characterised as a centralized organisation. There is no single, undisputed, definition of what constitutes a state.[1][2] **A widely-used definition is a state being a polity that, within a given territory, __maintains a monopoly on the use of force__, but many other widely used definitions exist.**[3][4]"

'equal but not the same'

thats it right

How can something formally be equal and not the same as something else other than being another iteration of something within a category?

One apple is equal to another apple of exactly the same sort, but they're not the same apple...

...which means that you think that the only distinction between the two **is that they're just somehow not the same object**.

how is this relating to anything at al

But functionally, they would be doing the same thing, by your argumentation?

like you are copy pasting the wiki that simply confirms with what i say

It didn't talk about centralisation.

its like you agree with me on substance but you have to disagree with me

'monopoly on the use of force' is not centralisation.

state is centralising hings

>he hasn't heard of federalism

inb4 not truly decentralised

it isnt

inb4 >no, there is still some centralisation

But this dodges the point entirely. I'm saying that centralisation is *irrelevant* as far as the definition that I've plucked from that article gives a shit.

wtf are you evven talking about

So you went ahead and pulled out your own. Your own source disagrees with you.

Keep up.

i said a state is not a goevernment perssee and you come with this shit to defend your claim that it is a lie

its a truth

a state is not a government persee

and you say that this is a lie

and you support this with a lot of sidetracking

>state is not a government

That's literally what I was saying the whole time.

Initially I accused you of saying that they are the same.

Now I'm saying that despite your efforts to say that they're not, you are thinking of both in the same terms.

...with only 'centralisation' being the main discriminating factor.

But even *this*:

```The most commonly used definition is Max Weber's,[11][12][13][14][15] which describes the state as a compulsory political organization with a centralized government that maintains a monopoly of the legitimate use of force within a certain territory.[3][4] General categories of state institutions include administrative bureaucracies, legal systems, and military or religious organizations.[16]```

...doesn't mention centralisation as the *only* determining factor.