Message from @Andem

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2019-07-27 20:26:26 UTC  

Have some patience

2019-07-27 20:26:27 UTC  

Why don’t you just post the link?

2019-07-27 20:26:44 UTC  

Can you have patience

2019-07-27 20:26:48 UTC  

K

2019-07-27 20:26:48 UTC  

He's gonna post, I think he is just giving some context first

2019-07-27 20:29:05 UTC  

“According to Pyzhikov this program described “a progressive narrowing of the political functions of the state, and to the conversion of the state into, in the main, an organ of the management of the economic life of society.”

2019-07-27 20:29:24 UTC  

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Pyzhikov explains that the draft “concerned the development of the democratization of the Soviet order. This plan recognized as essential a universal process of drawing workers into the running of the state, into daily active state and social activity on the basis of a steady development of the cultural level of the masses and a maximal simplification of the functions of state management. It proposed in practice to proceed to the unification of productive work with participation in the management of state affairs, with the transition to the successive carrying out of the functions of management by all working people. It also expatiated upon the idea of the introduction of direct legislative activity by the people, for which the following were considered essential:

2019-07-27 20:29:42 UTC  

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a) to implement universal voting and decision-making on the majority of the most important questions of governmental life in both the social and economic spheres, as well as in questions of living conditions and cultural development;
b) to widely develop legislative initiative from below, by means of granting to social organizations the rights to submit to the Supreme Soviet proposals for new legislation;
c) to confirm the right of citizens and social organizations to directly submit proposals to the Supreme Soviet on the most important questions of international and internal policy.””

2019-07-27 20:30:02 UTC  

(Pyzhikov, A. “N.A. Voznesenskii o perspektivakh poselvoennogo obnovleniia obshchestva.” in Furr, Stalin and the Struggle for Democratic Reform)

2019-07-27 20:35:29 UTC  

According to one guy Stalin tried to do this

2019-07-27 20:35:35 UTC  

Why would he not do it before?

2019-07-27 20:35:52 UTC  

Why did he not try again?

2019-07-27 20:36:37 UTC  

I could point to a huddled source and examples that point to Stalin acting in a way that contradicts this

2019-07-27 20:37:53 UTC  

Certainly the Soviet Union was more democratic during Lenin’s period

2019-07-27 20:38:21 UTC  

Why would Stalin alter the course

2019-07-27 20:38:42 UTC  

Why would we assume Stalin was genuine in this even if it was true?

2019-07-27 20:39:46 UTC  

Also this seems to contradict the fact that the Soviet Union was democratic

2019-07-27 22:16:37 UTC  

Democracy != Direct Participation which seems to be more what this is about

2019-07-27 22:20:44 UTC  

what I find interesting about this is that it's similar to my understanding of amadeo bordiga's meaning when he wanted to "abolish democracy"

2019-07-27 22:24:00 UTC  

this is the only place where the apparently verbatim quoted text "The development of socialist democracy on the basis of the completion of the construction of a classless socialist society will increasingly convert the dictatorship of the proletariat into the dictatorship of the Soviet people. As each member of the whole population is gradually drawn into the day to day management of state affairs, the growth of the population's communist consciousness and culture, and the development of socialist democracy will lead to the progressive dying out of forms of compulsion in the dictatorship of the Soviet people, and to a progressive replacement of measures of compulsion by the influence of public opinion, to a progressive narrowing of the political functions of the state, and to the conversion of the state into, in the main, an organ of the management of the economic life of society." appears online

2019-07-27 22:24:14 UTC  

so I would consider it dubiously sourced

2019-07-28 02:38:52 UTC  

oh no

2019-07-29 02:29:12 UTC  

Don't let this distract you from the fact Rhodesia was stabbed in the back

2019-07-29 03:28:36 UTC  

maybe they shouldn't have tried to ally with israel

2019-07-29 05:05:00 UTC  

lol

2019-07-29 05:05:15 UTC  

mugabe was based

2019-07-29 13:55:07 UTC  

Yeah but he Destroyed the country. I’m no fan of Israel but Rhodesia was better than starvation

2019-07-29 15:40:32 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/360983003872100352/605424429518028817/Cake.jpg

2019-07-29 15:40:55 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/360983003872100352/605424526058061827/ba409dab764face5287b1340e42dd675a0813308714836ba92caf4486e6fa41c.png

2019-07-29 15:41:09 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/360983003872100352/605424586951229450/a9087ec26048028b0eecb72d71dc5c45e645cd385ca544cf953961b28657a4b1.png

2019-07-29 22:57:39 UTC  

wow just like hitler

2019-07-29 22:58:02 UTC  

taking the land away from the jews and socializing the german people

2019-07-29 23:33:09 UTC  

Perhaps this one comment Leah, makes up for your dog fucking.

2019-07-30 02:01:34 UTC  

Well, theers one thing with that tho

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/360983003872100352/605580714045603851/jews_sa.jpg

2019-07-30 02:01:51 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/360983003872100352/605580788628455460/1521337259592.png

2019-07-30 02:03:23 UTC  

That moment in which you realize that the star on the russian flag is teh star of david

2019-07-30 02:04:53 UTC  

That moment in which you realize each of the stars on the american flag are states, that moment when you realize each state is stamped with the star of david

2019-07-30 02:29:59 UTC  

No they are national socialist

2019-07-30 02:30:28 UTC  

they are just taking the private property away from the whites instead of the jews

2019-07-30 02:32:09 UTC