Message from @senfood
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and still with improvements
that's not on us to defend, i believe certain things but groups co-opt leftist rhetoric in order to gain power sometimes
i oppose that too
I understand you senfood
Point is, I think human nature is corruptive.
When I was an anarchist I based all my political thought in uncorruptibility
and I want to achieve it, we can do it
so, lets abolish unjust power structures
I think there's something fundamentally wrong with us as a species based on how all of our misery is self-manufactured
if humans are corruptive when in power
we can combine liquid democracy, consensus democracy, the academia and a culture of revision to achieve it
but I think first we need a vanguard to erase bourgeois ideology
I don't think it would help.
how is that not just replacing the hierarchy with a different one
@not_matt The vanguard is an extension of the working class, of the most conscious and educated ones based in democratic centralism
It's like platformism but using a party
why do we need an extension of the working class to form the party
why not just the working class defending themselves
the "extension" just places one class above another
Didn't vanguardism lead to the bloodiest parts of the French Revolution?
because the working class can't all read the works of Marx, Engels, etc. and they are in conditions that they have to consent to prevent bourgeois ideology and revisionism
after a generation people maybe can take the power after a new education system is on
and the culture of revision
the ideas aren't only transferrable through academic study, and class consciousness can awaken based on working class organization and personal trust-based relationships
sure, and we should educate these people as possible in marxism; but we shouldn't let revisionist elements enter
because they bury the revolution
Good luck trying.
This all relies on people not behaving like people.
I can't be convinced.
there are ideological apparatuses of the state
No apparatus is perfect.
like the media, excessive hours of labour, education on economics (mainstream economics) working against us
this is erased in a socialist society
Even if it's effective initially, it will erode over time
unjustified hierarchies are unjust, no matter how much they claim to represent justice
Nothing is completely erased.
when the conditions are there
we wouldn't need a vanguard if all people had been educated on marxist science and economics