Message from @swampy_maroon
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Because I'm a protestant I will be honest, its up to the church and their theolgical statements.
which church?
However, I think we can differ on secondary and tertiary matters
I thought you said you were reformed when I asked if you're protestant
However, when it comes to primary matters, such as the ressurection, the gospel and whatnot those are non-negotiable
I am protestant bro
The reformed camp is from the protestant tradition
>Because I'm a protestant I will be honest, its up to the church and their theolgical statements.
literally moral relativism
Well not exactly man
The Bible stands as the single authorative, infallible inerrant piece of scripture
Interepretion thereof is not divine
It's relativist if interperation cannot be infallible
The Bible as it stands, is the anchor and the foundation, along with the Holy Spirit man
Well, not really
I think that mis characterises quite of lot of Christianity man
I mean have you been granted the gift of infallibility?
No, that's why we have Eccumenial Councils
The early church tooks years to hammer out the doctrines on the trinity and the person of christ
In that sense those councils were helpful
yes, they determine what is heresy or not
yes, and you're saying we let fractured churched determine theological matters
They are not authorative because some bishop was like, 'meh, screw it.. that verse means this'
that's not how the Councils worked
Its authorative because they all were knoweledagble and debated like crazy about the passages
and looked at the scriputres in context and in reference to other parts of scripture
yes, so they deserve to determine what is heretical or not
Protestant churches haven't really decided much on primary matters man. Not much of the very central primary stuff has change, if at all
Protestant churches differ on secondary matters that don't determine whether someone is saved or not
They didn't declare sola fide as infallible truth, because they read the Book of John and declared that faith without works is dead
Yes
Yes, the primary stuff *has* changed
such as how to get to heaven
Along with the books of James man
Faith without works is dead
James 2:14-17
Faith is there, but for me at least and the reformed tradition
It is on God to plant that seed of faith, as god draws those whom he has elected to salvation purely out of his grace and goodness, not because we deserve it and whatnot
But once that faith is there, we should be doing those works anyway, as a showing of the fruth of the spirit at work
Consider the fact that the protestants broke away from the catholics who broke away from the Orthodox by rejecting an Eccumenial Council, it's only logical to determine that the Orthodox are the original branch
Also, it's completely possible to have faith while not doing works
“by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast” (Eph 2:8-9)