Message from @Deleted User

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2017-06-07 15:49:24 UTC  

The Bible as it stands, is the anchor and the foundation, along with the Holy Spirit man

2017-06-07 15:49:32 UTC  

Well, not really

2017-06-07 15:49:44 UTC  

I think that mis characterises quite of lot of Christianity man

2017-06-07 15:50:05 UTC  

I mean have you been granted the gift of infallibility?

2017-06-07 15:50:18 UTC  

No, that's why we have Eccumenial Councils

2017-06-07 15:50:45 UTC  

The early church tooks years to hammer out the doctrines on the trinity and the person of christ

2017-06-07 15:50:51 UTC  

In that sense those councils were helpful

2017-06-07 15:51:00 UTC  

yes, they determine what is heresy or not

2017-06-07 15:51:06 UTC  

But it is authorative because it is derived from what has been said in scripture

2017-06-07 15:51:40 UTC  

yes, and you're saying we let fractured churched determine theological matters

2017-06-07 15:51:42 UTC  

They are not authorative because some bishop was like, 'meh, screw it.. that verse means this'

2017-06-07 15:51:54 UTC  

that's not how the Councils worked

2017-06-07 15:52:13 UTC  

Its authorative because they all were knoweledagble and debated like crazy about the passages

2017-06-07 15:52:30 UTC  

and looked at the scriputres in context and in reference to other parts of scripture

2017-06-07 15:52:51 UTC  

yes, so they deserve to determine what is heretical or not

2017-06-07 15:53:12 UTC  

Protestant churches haven't really decided much on primary matters man. Not much of the very central primary stuff has change, if at all

2017-06-07 15:53:35 UTC  

Protestant churches differ on secondary matters that don't determine whether someone is saved or not

2017-06-07 15:53:44 UTC  

They didn't declare sola fide as infallible truth, because they read the Book of John and declared that faith without works is dead

2017-06-07 15:53:53 UTC  

Yes

2017-06-07 15:53:57 UTC  

Yes, the primary stuff *has* changed

2017-06-07 15:54:01 UTC  

such as how to get to heaven

2017-06-07 15:54:03 UTC  

Along with the books of James man

2017-06-07 15:54:10 UTC  

Faith without works is dead

2017-06-07 15:54:46 UTC  

James 2:14-17

2017-06-07 15:55:08 UTC  

Faith is there, but for me at least and the reformed tradition

2017-06-07 15:55:46 UTC  

It is on God to plant that seed of faith, as god draws those whom he has elected to salvation purely out of his grace and goodness, not because we deserve it and whatnot

2017-06-07 15:56:21 UTC  

But once that faith is there, we should be doing those works anyway, as a showing of the fruth of the spirit at work

2017-06-07 15:56:51 UTC  

Consider the fact that the protestants broke away from the catholics who broke away from the Orthodox by rejecting an Eccumenial Council, it's only logical to determine that the Orthodox are the original branch
Also, it's completely possible to have faith while not doing works

2017-06-07 15:56:53 UTC  

“by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast” (Eph 2:8-9)

2017-06-07 15:57:04 UTC  

I forgot what's Eph

2017-06-07 15:57:19 UTC  

Ephesians bro

2017-06-07 15:58:06 UTC  

Protestants broke away form the catholic church because they though that papacy was silly and too political and whatnot.. plus indulgences was like the biggest scam ever

2017-06-07 15:58:16 UTC  

They went back to basics

2017-06-07 15:58:35 UTC  

the bare basics which isn't enough

2017-06-07 15:58:54 UTC  

Went back to scripture, instead of just relying on Priests saying that we need to attend mass and participate in the eurcharist to achieve salvation

2017-06-07 15:59:07 UTC  

But Jesus is our High Priest, as you would know, from Hebrews

2017-06-07 15:59:36 UTC  

Basics, as in Sola Scriptura

2017-06-07 15:59:52 UTC  

Actually, let me tell you how 2:8-10 should be interperated

2017-06-07 16:00:09 UTC  

instead of Scripture, plus what the popes had to say plus like gazillion different saints and authors who had stuff to say

2017-06-07 16:00:17 UTC  

Plus your local priest

2017-06-07 16:01:21 UTC  

But you have to remeber, a lot of this had to do with the free spread of information.. due to the printing press. It wasn't just some priest reading form a gold leaf handwritten bible written in Latin, being read and interepreated to a crowd of mostly uneducated peasants (literally)