Message from @swampy_maroon

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2017-06-07 15:40:13 UTC  

...NKJV. But I swears I only listen to commentary as according to my Study Bible

2017-06-07 15:40:23 UTC  

I still prefer ESV

2017-06-07 15:40:26 UTC  

Yeah

2017-06-07 15:40:29 UTC  

I use the ESV

2017-06-07 15:40:36 UTC  

Awesome translation

2017-06-07 15:42:14 UTC  

But I am still unanswered, how does the Reformed determine infallibility of an interperation of Scripture?

2017-06-07 15:43:26 UTC  

"The general rule of interpreting Scripture is this: the literal sense of every text is to be taken, if it be not contrary to some other texts: but in that case the obscure text is to be interpreted by those which speak more plainly. Wesley, Letters, 3:129; 5:328."

2017-06-07 15:44:00 UTC  

In some ways though, a literal translation is not prefereable, like for instance where poetical or allegorical language is used

2017-06-07 15:44:29 UTC  

But for the most part, most if not the vast majority of passages of scriputre are pretty obviously meant to be taken literally

2017-06-07 15:45:07 UTC  

this is just method, who declares it?

2017-06-07 15:46:23 UTC  

Because I'm a protestant I will be honest, its up to the church and their theolgical statements.

2017-06-07 15:46:34 UTC  

which church?

2017-06-07 15:46:36 UTC  

However, I think we can differ on secondary and tertiary matters

2017-06-07 15:46:50 UTC  

I thought you said you were reformed when I asked if you're protestant

2017-06-07 15:47:03 UTC  

However, when it comes to primary matters, such as the ressurection, the gospel and whatnot those are non-negotiable

2017-06-07 15:47:08 UTC  

I am protestant bro

2017-06-07 15:47:24 UTC  

The reformed camp is from the protestant tradition

2017-06-07 15:48:01 UTC  

>Because I'm a protestant I will be honest, its up to the church and their theolgical statements.
literally moral relativism

2017-06-07 15:48:14 UTC  

Well not exactly man

2017-06-07 15:48:39 UTC  

The Bible stands as the single authorative, infallible inerrant piece of scripture

2017-06-07 15:48:50 UTC  

Interepretion thereof is not divine

2017-06-07 15:49:19 UTC  

It's relativist if interperation cannot be infallible

2017-06-07 15:49:24 UTC  

The Bible as it stands, is the anchor and the foundation, along with the Holy Spirit man

2017-06-07 15:49:32 UTC  

Well, not really

2017-06-07 15:49:44 UTC  

I think that mis characterises quite of lot of Christianity man

2017-06-07 15:50:05 UTC  

I mean have you been granted the gift of infallibility?

2017-06-07 15:50:18 UTC  

No, that's why we have Eccumenial Councils

2017-06-07 15:50:45 UTC  

The early church tooks years to hammer out the doctrines on the trinity and the person of christ

2017-06-07 15:50:51 UTC  

In that sense those councils were helpful

2017-06-07 15:51:00 UTC  

yes, they determine what is heresy or not

2017-06-07 15:51:06 UTC  

But it is authorative because it is derived from what has been said in scripture

2017-06-07 15:51:40 UTC  

yes, and you're saying we let fractured churched determine theological matters

2017-06-07 15:51:42 UTC  

They are not authorative because some bishop was like, 'meh, screw it.. that verse means this'

2017-06-07 15:51:54 UTC  

that's not how the Councils worked

2017-06-07 15:52:13 UTC  

Its authorative because they all were knoweledagble and debated like crazy about the passages

2017-06-07 15:52:30 UTC  

and looked at the scriputres in context and in reference to other parts of scripture

2017-06-07 15:52:51 UTC  

yes, so they deserve to determine what is heretical or not

2017-06-07 15:53:12 UTC  

Protestant churches haven't really decided much on primary matters man. Not much of the very central primary stuff has change, if at all

2017-06-07 15:53:35 UTC  

Protestant churches differ on secondary matters that don't determine whether someone is saved or not

2017-06-07 15:53:44 UTC  

They didn't declare sola fide as infallible truth, because they read the Book of John and declared that faith without works is dead

2017-06-07 15:53:53 UTC  

Yes