/pol/ is an echo chamber.

Yeah

I hate /pol/

I posted there everyday for 6 months.

But I reformed.

I used to lurk a ton

Aquinas kept me awake last night.

I hope tonight will be different.

@Deleted User are you reading him after Greeks?

Aquinas?

Like the Particracy moderator?

Oh, no.

A philophor.

or...

I can't spell

Yes, Thomas Aquinas. Specifically the First Mover argument. Science does not contradict it. And I can't find any good refutations.

It is driving me crazy.

*Because it's true*

No.

what is true?

https://youtu.be/lJH18VqdttY

@Firefly I read Greek philosophy several years ago. I got into a discussion yesterday about God and was referred to Aquinas. He refutes a lot of the Greeks, so does most philosophers, and scientists.

That's a poor video.

But yes, that's the Argument.

The problem is that time and motion had a beginning.

I think there is no first move.

Its an eternal movement.

But science tells us there was a beginning in time and motion.

One of the theory made popular tells, yes.

There are different opinions and theories

Are you familiar with Soviet physicists, Lifshitz and Khalatnikov?

Turns out their theory was wrong.

So?

It is not about opinions.

Versions

Are different.

One popular idea inspired by Judaism and Christianity is not necessarily correct.

That's not what I am say. I am saying that science shows, especially in the last decade or so, that the universe had a beginning. And because of this, the First Mover argument is hard to refute.

@Deleted User Which theory you are talking about?

Do you mean the science or the argument?

I mean how the theory of physics you are with is called?