what is true?

https://youtu.be/lJH18VqdttY

@Firefly I read Greek philosophy several years ago. I got into a discussion yesterday about God and was referred to Aquinas. He refutes a lot of the Greeks, so does most philosophers, and scientists.

That's a poor video.

But yes, that's the Argument.

The problem is that time and motion had a beginning.

I think there is no first move.

Its an eternal movement.

But science tells us there was a beginning in time and motion.

One of the theory made popular tells, yes.

There are different opinions and theories

Are you familiar with Soviet physicists, Lifshitz and Khalatnikov?

Turns out their theory was wrong.

So?

It is not about opinions.

Versions

Are different.

One popular idea inspired by Judaism and Christianity is not necessarily correct.

That's not what I am say. I am saying that science shows, especially in the last decade or so, that the universe had a beginning. And because of this, the First Mover argument is hard to refute.

@Deleted User Which theory you are talking about?

Do you mean the science or the argument?

I mean how the theory of physics you are with is called?

The Big Bang? http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-beginning-of-time.html

http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-origin-of-the-universe.html

The Big Bang was a theory created by a Catholic Priest

That's not relevant.

ok

@Deleted User it is relevant.

Why, because Catholics are in a conspiracy with science and the bourgeoisie to discredit diamat?

Because what you call science is just a theory. It can be incorrect.

There is not enough evidence.

To make a conclusion.

Yet it is forced by all religions into science.

I think universe is eternal.

What do you mean 'just a theory' and 'not enough evidence'? All evidence and physics points this way. Saying 'it can be incorrect' is the same argument Believers use to assert God's existence, which is neither here nor there. Unless you have a refutation or better theory, it is a pointless statement to make.

@Deleted User Not true. The theory has to be proven, it has to be correct.. Can you prove it to me?

Can you disprove the big bang?

I yet never seen a prove.

Because it's been accepted by most credible scientists.

See Chopin the argument?

@Firefly I can show you evidences like cosmic microwave background, observations of black holes, and expansion of the universe, then apply mathematics to form a theoretical model.