Message from @Firefly

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2017-06-10 01:49:32 UTC  

14/88 and have a blessed white day, fuck Commies
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2017-06-10 01:50:13 UTC  

@Firefly That's correct. You need to base your abstractions on observation.

2017-06-10 01:51:20 UTC  

Would you like to read Aquinas?
"Regarding the unity of the divine essence, we must first believe that God exists. This is a truth clearly known by reason. **We observe that** all things that move are moved by other things, the lower by the higher. The elements are moved by heavenly bodies; and among the elements themselves, the stronger moves the weaker; and even among the heavenly bodies, the lower are set in motion by the higher. This process cannot be traced back into infinity. For everything that is moved by another is a sort of instrument of the first mover. Therefore, if a first mover is lacking, all things that move will be instruments. But if the series of movers and things moved is infinite, there can be no first mover. In such a case, these infinitely many movers and things moved will all be instruments. But even the unlearned perceive how ridiculous it is to suppose that instruments are moved, unless they are set in motion by some principal agent. This would be like fancying that, when a chest or a bed is being built, the saw or the hatchet performs its functions without the carpenter. Accordingly there must be a first mover that is above all the the rest; and this being we call God."

2017-06-10 01:54:14 UTC  

@Deleted User thats from the time you couldn't know atoms moving themselves, right?

2017-06-10 01:54:36 UTC  

>But even the unlearned perceive how ridiculous it is to suppose that instruments are moved, unless they are set in motion by some principal agent.

2017-06-10 01:54:44 UTC  

'Atoms moving themselves'?

2017-06-10 01:54:49 UTC  

Do you really believe in that?

2017-06-10 01:55:23 UTC  

It's an analogy about instruments.

2017-06-10 01:55:28 UTC  

I'll move your ass to hell with my Stuka and my MP40

2017-06-10 01:55:46 UTC  

Prepare for ass-whooping

2017-06-10 01:56:06 UTC  

It's why a 'perpetual motion machine' is impossible.

2017-06-10 01:56:34 UTC  

Do you believe atoms are not moving by themselves?

2017-06-10 01:56:54 UTC  

That doesn't make any sense. Atoms have energy, of course they move.

2017-06-10 01:56:56 UTC  

Kys

2017-06-10 01:57:21 UTC  

@Deleted User They move without a push?

2017-06-10 01:57:46 UTC  

Gtfo of your shitty safe-space and fight us like men

2017-06-10 01:58:09 UTC  

Atoms have energy. The energy is the push.

2017-06-10 01:58:27 UTC  

The energy is transfered.

2017-06-10 01:58:54 UTC  

Did they gain energy from some source other than themselves?

2017-06-10 02:00:22 UTC  

They contain energy, not gain it. Just because they contain energy doesn't mean they are the source of it.

2017-06-10 02:00:43 UTC  

@Deleted User where did the energy of atoms come from?

2017-06-10 02:01:18 UTC  

That's an abstraction science struggles with.

2017-06-10 02:01:40 UTC  

It seems priests already know the answer.

2017-06-10 02:02:27 UTC  

That's what their theology tells them. It is just faith. It is not supported by reason.

2017-06-10 02:03:42 UTC  

But it is hard to disprove.

2017-06-10 02:04:15 UTC  

And Aquinas is based on reason.

2017-06-10 02:04:45 UTC  

Marxism is based on matter, not reason.

2017-06-10 02:05:27 UTC  

I don't see how that is possible.

2017-06-10 02:05:58 UTC  

Matter is an abstraction. It's definition is open-ended.

2017-06-10 02:07:42 UTC  

Matter does not need definition.

2017-06-10 02:07:51 UTC  

or abstraction.

2017-06-10 02:08:01 UTC  

Matter exist without abstractions.

2017-06-10 02:08:38 UTC  

>ideology based on matter

2017-06-10 02:08:42 UTC  

>ideology

2017-06-10 02:08:44 UTC  

>based

2017-06-10 02:08:45 UTC  

>on

2017-06-10 02:08:47 UTC  

>matter

2017-06-10 02:08:51 UTC  

That's pretty based yo.

2017-06-10 02:08:51 UTC  

yes

2017-06-10 02:09:04 UTC  

Matter exists is a positive statement. You need to support this claim.

2017-06-10 02:09:33 UTC  

**Brain fucking explodes*